"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau

[SwedishFire]

I remember Boudreau being a part if Montreal and Anaheims roosters, named as a steady vet. How fast he become " I cant belive he has even stepped at NHL ice even once". Its funny/sad

 

[SwedishFire]

So a small, slow weak player with no supporting cast at 19 is gonna push 75 points….

By that logic, you should be afraid once he gets grown man strength. Most of these issues people are picking apart were the same criticisms a young Kane had. He only became the Greatest American player ever.

If we were comparing Bedard to Hughes at the same age, not a single person would say Hughes has a better shot even though he’s a far superior skater. I have little doubt he’s gonna be a superior player to Jack Hughes. MacKinnons peak is pretty absurd. It’s hard to compare to that. How many guys ever scored 140 plus points. It’s not a long list. Most in the 80s.

I have a hard time.beliving Besard is gonna surpass Hughes. Hughes is just plain a snap better. Even if they have similar skillsets, speedy, smart, good edges, great hands. Good eye for the game, good passes, shot is better for Bedard. I would pick Hughes. He has a bit higher hockeysense, better passer,a tad bit quicker, better edges, smoother, and a better finnisher in close.

Hughes will one season wi. The Art Ross, the talent is just there. And being a 100p player. Bedard will sure pass 100 points, and 50 goals fore sure at least one season. But hover more around 90 points. Is my take away on it.

 

[daver]

What records did Crosby set in junior? Also, the only record I’m aware of for McDavid is most individual awards by an OHL player with 5…but some of the awards are somewhat obscure as well…not necessarily pointing to great hockey play.

Only 16 year old to have the most points in all of the CHL I believe.

 

[daver]

I have a hard time.beliving Besard is gonna surpass Hughes. Hughes is just plain a snap better. Even if they have similar skillsets, speedy, smart, good edges, great hands. Good eye for the game, good passes, shot is better for Bedard. I would pick Hughes. He has a bit higher hockeysense, better passer,a tad bit quicker, better edges, smoother, and a better finnisher in close.

Hughes will one season wi. The Art Ross, the talent is just there. And being a 100p player. Bedard will sure pass 100 points, and 50 goals fore sure at least one season. But hover more around 90 points. Is my take away on it.

Bedard has been considerably better at age 18 and 19 than Hughes was. Hughes isn't a Top 10 PPG player yet as he starts what should be his peak level of play based on his age.

Hughes could sneak an Art Ross win if the conditions are right. Bedard seems to be tracking towards being an Art Ross favourite at some point, especially given there isn't a real superstar talent under the age of 25 right now.

I think Bedard will be a bit of Kane/Kucherov; a mix of obvious skills and sneaky playmaking.

 

[AzHawk]

Anaheims roosters

Is that one of those older teams, like the Golden Seals?

 

[SwedishFire]

Is that one of those older teams, like the Golden Seals?

Must have been someone with a name close to him, because I looked up Bruces career, and he played his last game '86, far away earlier than Anaheims existence.and my hockey interrest.

 

[Crow]

Actually, it’s kind of factual. Kane was brilliant through the neutral zone at driving defenders back to the face-off dots because he was super fast. Bedard is an average skater while carrying the puck. Like the thread title suggests, no defender is fearful of Bedard. They stand up at the blue line when he’s attacking with the puck.

Kane was never super fast. You don’t know what you are talking about.

Some people itt should watch more and talk less. Quite a few it seems.

 

[ijuka]

Actually, it’s kind of factual. Kane was brilliant through the neutral zone at driving defenders back to the face-off dots because he was super fast. Bedard is an average skater while carrying the puck. Like the thread title suggests, no defender is fearful of Bedard. They stand up at the blue line when he’s attacking with the puck.

Kane was brilliant through the neutral zone and at driving defenders back to the faceoff dots, but it was not because he was super fast. It's because he had incredible hands and also very good edgework. He was an agile skater, but not an Ovechkin or a Karlsson(pre-tendon) or a MacKinnon.

 

[surixon]

No he wasn’t. Like I am not sure what else to tell you. Kane got faster as he got older and stronger. He did not have great speed when he entered the league. I am honestly shocked that this even needs to be explained to you.

Also easier to push players back when teams also have to respect that Kane's linemates can also hurt you. There is a significant difference in having Toews and Sharp as linemates then who Bedard has played with.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Bedard seems to be tracking towards being an Art Ross favourite at some point, especially given there isn't a real superstar talent under the age of 25 right now.

Are we forgetting Celebrini? A year younger and outplaying Bedard with a much more complete game.

 

[daver]

Are we forgetting Celebrini? A year younger and outplaying Bedard with a much more complete game.

Is he an Art Ross favourite? Was he putting up "generational" stats before the NHL?

My point was that the draft picks from the late 2010s to 2022 have been underwhelming as Hughes hasn't really hit star level yet.

 

[SimpleJack]

Are we forgetting Celebrini? A year younger and outplaying Bedard with a much more complete game.

Nobody is forgetting him, especially not in these Bedard threads. Have you read through the posts? And I'm not saying he's not deserving of the praise either, just that he's been mentioned several times in comparison to Bedard/having a similar future as a superstar in this league.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Is he an Art Ross favourite? Was he putting up "generational" stats before the NHL?

My point was that the draft picks from the late 2010s to 2022 have been underwhelming as Hughes hasn't really hit star level yet.

Hughes is most definitely a star player.

 

[SimpleJack]

Kane was never super fast. You don’t know what you are talking about.

Some people itt should watch more and talk less. Quite a few it seems.

I know i sound like a broken record....but again...the amount of misinformation in this thread is astonishing.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Nobody is forgetting him, especially not in these Bedard threads. Have you read through the posts? And I'm not saying he's not deserving of the praise either, just that he's been mentioned several times in comparison to Bedard/having a similar future as a superstar in this league.

Daver seemed to be forgetting him when suggesting Bedard is the only player in the league that’s under 25 with superstar talent.

He audited himself, changing his argument to mid 2010 drafts to 2022.

 

[I am toxic]

It's inconceivable that Bedard on this AHL team is being compared to Kane on the team that won three cups

Swap Bedard for Kane on that team and Boudreau would poop his diapers

 

[King In The North]

MacKinnon was also on a team who finished dead last with 48 points, 21 points behind the next team, in his first few seasons, he was only -14. That team was a disaster.

So he was sheltered, you're saying.

 

[SimpleJack]

And he's still nowhere near McDavid in terms of NHL ability.

He was generational against teenagers though.

And only posters with an agenda would feel the need to repeat this again, especially wording it the way you do.

You think ur slick, but ur not fooling me.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And only posters with an agenda would feel the need to repeat this again, especially wording it the way you do.

You think ur slick, but ur not fooling me.

What's my agenda?

 

[Kranix]

What's my agenda?

dude. come on. You're an astute poster, but at this point it's laughable for you to ask that

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

dude. come on. You're an astute poster, but at this point it's laughable for you to ask that

Why? I have no agenda against Bedard.

The only people who'd think that are the ones who still think he's a generational prospect.

 

[Deux de Coeurs]

Bedard was a higher PPG player in junior leagues and in international play than McDavid. So why wouldn't generational be in play for him ?

Bedard was as good a prospect as McDavid which is why people got excited (included myself) but turns out McDavid's game translated much better at the pro level. Looking back on it it definitely could've been foreseen.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Bedard was as good a prospect as McDavid which is why people got excited (included myself) but turns out McDavid's game translated much better at the pro level. Looking back on it it definitely could've been foreseen.

Size and world class skating are pretty simple differentiators that most should’ve foreseen. So much more to the game than just skill and hockey IQ.

 

[daver]

Bedard was as good a prospect as McDavid which is why people got excited (included myself) but turns out McDavid's game translated much better at the pro level. Looking back on it it definitely could've been foreseen.

People got excited because he was putting up numbers that were on Crosby/McDavid levels; I am not sure that he was viewed as being as good as a "prospect".

Daver seemed to be forgetting him when suggesting Bedard is the only player in the league that’s under 25 with superstar talent.

He audited himself, changing his argument to mid 2010 drafts to 2022.

Did Celebrini do anything in his draft year to raise him to the level of Bedard's offensive performance in his draft year? No, Jack Eichel was more a bit impressive statistically in his draft year and he has yet to reach Top Ten PPG status.

He may be having a very good rookie season at age 18, one worth comparing to other #1 picks, but that doesn't mean he will reach superstar status like McDavid, Kucherov, Mac, Draisaitl.

I would bet many still bet than Bedard reaches a higher level than Celebrini.

 

[Chelios]

Why? I have no agenda against Bedard.

The only people who'd think that are the ones who still think he's a generational prospect.

Shows up in literally every Bedard thread. Argues incessantly for anyone who Bedard is being compared to. Gets offended if someone suggests he has an agenda.