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[JT Milker]

I try not to point too many fingers or pretend I know the inner workings of what goes on behind the scenes but the handling of Mikheyev and letting him (blaming him) make his own decisions looked downright stupid (missing the start of next season), as does a lot of their handling of injuries. From Demko, to Pearson, to Hughes, Petey, and beyond their decision making and at times visible confusion/misdirection in this area looks questionable to say the best.



I've gotta agree. I've never seen a situation like that in my decades of hockey. Especially one where the delaying of surgery at the start of one season delayed the start of the next season for that player by the same amount of time. I've seen lots of times where they delay surgery during a successful year but not at day 1 on a shitty hockey team where it compromises the next season.

I’ve torn my ACL while playing high level sports. You can play on it and the surgery is technically elective. The recovery (to being back to normal) is close to 2 years. It’s an extremely challenging decision to make.

 

[ziploc]

HF Doctors are always here for you, you just need to make sure its an injury we can argue about.

Yeah, anything groin or buttocks related and certain posters here will be all over it.

 

[theguardianII]

Chicago is one of those teams the "wait until the draft" crowd will love because today there isnt a single player id want from them to immedietly slot into our lineup.

But yet they could use Boeser. They could use Pettersson. They could use Lekkerimaki.

So unless its Boeser for Jones because its easier to trade a RHD than Boeser..

Or its Jones, +, +, for Petey then we trade every single thing elsewhere..

Or they want to "age gap" but properly and pony up their 1st and Jones for Lekkerimaki and our 1st or something...

Hawks make the worst partners.

Petey isn't worth a 2nd round pick RIGHT NOW and after a year of dismal performances not probable to return to his previous form.
He isn't worth taking a chance the he becomes Eriksson 2.0.

This team doesn't have a line up, they have players in roster spots. An AHL allstar team can play not to lose and go for ties.

In your opinion what makes EP40 worth more than whatever they can get at this point and time? Think of the other side that is trading for him. What do they see? If it was good the deal would have been made already.

Boeser going there? Sure but Boeser is a FA so a rental and he isn't lighting up the score board or stat sheets either. And he is known to have asked to be traded twice or more to a level that the team okayed his agent to try to find a team. That was based on his career to date and he has only one good year since, a fluke.

 

[Diablo2020]

I was fully onboard for trading away EP40 up until recently

It's dead. I can only imagine how low the value must be on the open market. If taking a guy like Cozens back is the best case scenario....then I would rather keep EP40.

I know some are too young to remember but when we run an asset into the ground and then out of the city its NEVER overnight buddy.

We're barely at the "My contract sucks" part.

Canuck fans are still at the (correct me if im wrong) Vesa Toskala and the pick that became Morgan Rielly part while the behind closed doors offers are Ben Scrivens and two 2nds. We havent even gotten to the last second stick it to Gillis retention on Luongo part that nixes the whole effort.

Somewhere between Toskala/Rielly and Scrivens/2nds we landed on Markstrom and Matthias and yet the sky did not fall.

We're barely at the Pavel Bure "i'll just sit out then" phase of the story.

The rumors are still glorious.

Rumors of Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, Manny Malhotra, Todd Harvey packages on the main boards.

Someone even throws in a Ziggy Palffy, Travis Green combo.

We are not even there yet.

Again in the end it was Jovocop and again, the sky did not fall that day.

Buckle up. We've only just begun, imo.

 

[theguardianII]

We havent even gotten to the last second stick it to Gillis retention on Luongo part that nixes the whole effort.

I get the inference but be accurate.
Gillis never retained on Luongo, it was a change in the rules months later that made that deal bad.
That money was when Luongo retired instead of going on LTIR.
It was good contract terms used by many teams at the time and the NHL negotiator signed two just hours before the rules made them really bad but he got two top layers cheap and didn't worry about later, he went for instant gratification.

 

[Diablo2020]

Petey isn't worth a 2nd round pick RIGHT NOW and after a year of dismal performances not probable to return to his previous form.
He isn't worth taking a chance the he becomes Eriksson 2.0.

This team doesn't have a line up, they have players in roster spots. An AHL allstar team can play not to lose and go for ties.

In your opinion what makes EP40 worth more than whatever they can get at this point and time? Think of the other side that is trading for him. What do they see? If it was good the deal would have been made already.

Boeser going there? Sure but Boeser is a FA so a rental and he isn't lighting up the score board or stat sheets either. And he is known to have asked to be traded twice or more to a level that the team okayed his agent to try to find a team. That was based on his career to date and he has only one good year since, a fluke.

Bro ive been trying to trade Miller, and especially Pettersson, for like 4 years now.

Years of pawning him off for 4 quarters.

And the day he's shipped for four quarters i'll be the first one in that thread with a GOT YA. This whole time the dollar I was pawning, was a counterfeit.

I know it and you seem to know it but the pawn shop attendant in Columbus hopefully doesnt yet.

Then im going to then be the first one making a value of: Juraj Slafkovsky thread, offering four quarters, and convincing myself that one time Suzuki got waved out and Slaf won the draw makes him a C.

Im ok with that and accept that fate. Thats how much I believe in Petey as a Canuck, and Miller before him.

I get the inference but be accurate.
Gillis never retained on Luongo, it was a change in the rules months later that made that deal bad.
That money was when Luongo retired instead of going on LTIR.
It was good contract terms used by many teams at the time and the NHL negotiator signed two just hours before the rules made them really bad but he got two top layers cheap and didn't worry about later, he went for instant gratification.

At the time of my contract sucks we accepted our fate and had a deal made at the trade deadline.

Ben Scrivens and two 2nds.

Gillis was irate that minutes before trade deadline, maybe it was Nonis in TO now, stuck it to Gillis and Frankie.

Deal fell apart.

Your talking about way after.

 

[arttk]

I’ve torn my ACL while playing high level sports. You can play on it and the surgery is technically elective. The recovery (to being back to normal) is close to 2 years. It’s an extremely challenging decision to make.

It’s actually it’s actually not really that hard of a decision considering that every single pro athlete with a torn ACL has gone through surgery to repair it and the only ones that haven’t are either from way back or get it torn when they are close to retirement.

It’s super inconvenient for a normal person yes, but it is not for pro athlete because their lives are dedicated to the sport because the earn millions from it.

 

[hotshot1]

After his performance at the 4 Nations I can't see him being traded. No team would trade positive assets to take on a huge, potentially franchise destroying risk. We're stuck with him. Hopefully he recovers to "pre-injury" levels.

 

[JT Milker]

It’s actually it’s actually not really that hard of a decision considering that every single pro athlete with a torn ACL has gone through surgery to repair it and the only ones that haven’t are either from way back or get it torn when they are close to retirement.

It’s super inconvenient for a normal person yes, but it is not for pro athlete because their lives are dedicated to the sport because the earn millions from it.

Stop speaking out of your ass, you look silly.

 

[theguardianII]

After his performance at the 4 Nations I can't see him being traded. No team would trade positive assets to take on a huge, potentially franchise destroying risk. We're stuck with him. Hopefully he recovers to "pre-injury" levels.

How about another 7 years of retention? Or adding Willander and Lekkerimaki and a high pick? His value is that low to knowledgeable fans. That albatross contract really depresses his value.

That said I do think he can resurrect his game in another team but he is certainly not improving his resume

 

[arttk]

Stop speaking out of your ass, you look silly.

Oh wow Mr I play beer league so my experience applies for pro athlete is speaking up. Oh please enlighten me with more of those beer league takes.

Active NHL players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active NBA players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active NFL players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active EPL/LaLiga/serie A/MLS players playing with torn ACL: zero

 

[hotshot1]

How about another 7 years of retention? Or adding Willander and Lekkerimaki and a high pick? His value is that low to knowledgeable fans. That albatross contract really depresses his value.

That said I do think he can resurrect his game in another team but he is certainly not improving his resume

Who would you get in return for that kind of package? And would it be worth it just to get rid of him?

I would take my chances with EP than get rid of good prospects. At least the cap is going up.

 

[VanJack]

After the Canada-U.S. Four Nations final on Thursday, the clock starts ticking on the March 7th TDL.

There's ton of player movement going on right now between Abbotsford and the Canucks; and even between Kalamazoo and Abbotsford. And it isn't really 'injury related' since Hughes will be back Saturday. And although Demko is 'week-to-week', Silovs is already the backup of choice and in Vancouver.

Makes me wonder if Allvin might be striking early, even with two weeks left before the deadline. I suspect the Canucks will be busy tweaking this roster for the playoffs.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

After his performance at the 4 Nations I can't see him being traded. No team would trade positive assets to take on a huge, potentially franchise destroying risk. We're stuck with him. Hopefully he recovers to "pre-injury" levels.

Yea I'm trying to put myself in another team's perspective and think of what I would offer to trade for EP40, and honestly it would just be cap dumps and/or their own inefficient contracts. I for sure wouldn't be sending anything of value for the risk of Petey not rebounding, at least not right now. With 7 years left on an $11.6m deal, no team is in a position to absorb that in case it doesn't work out, not contenders, not bubble teams, not even rebuilding teams.

 

[Diablo2020]

How about another 7 years of retention? Or adding Willander and Lekkerimaki and a high pick? His value is that low to knowledgeable fans. That albatross contract really depresses his value.

That said I do think he can resurrect his game in another team but he is certainly not improving his resume

Who would you get in return for that kind of package? And would it be worth it just to get rid of him?

I would take my chances with EP than get rid of good prospects. At least the cap is going up.

There is an extreme Pettersson denier and then there is whatever THAT is. I cant believe after a year of being told Pettersson is worth everything from Brady Tkachuk to Tage Thomspon to Conor Bedard by some that even his most argent non supporters could stoop so far to the other end of the spectrum.

Lekkerimaki, Willander and a 1st to dump Pettersson is pretty nuts even for me.

Pettersson has HUGE value, even today.

But every day that passes another Buffalo Sabres reporter will write a hit piece on the trade they dodged, like we seen this very morning today.

When it reaches Columbus and Anaheim then we panic.

Voronkov and Marchenko absolutely exploded this year. I can guarantee I can pull up an old post of mine where those exact two were 2 of my 4 quarters I proposed here before.. like the Brock Faber include when he was a LA King I posted earlier for a old Jt Miller trade.

Tick tock. While he still has supposed 1 for 1 value to some.

 

[Nucker42]

Absolute bombshell of a thread. Don’t see it posted. More injury related but certainly effects the trade deadline with the handling of demko and Hughes and Petey.

At what point does someone questions if these guys are even safe playing for this organization? Player after player mishandled.

Most logically, Pettersson is hurt right now and his injury has been mishandled. Truly embarrassing from a team I’ve followed my whole life.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I know some are too young to remember but when we run an asset into the ground and then out of the city its NEVER overnight buddy.

We're barely at the "My contract sucks" part.

Canuck fans are still at the (correct me if im wrong) Vesa Toskala and the pick that became Morgan Rielly part while the behind closed doors offers are Ben Scrivens and two 2nds. We havent even gotten to the last second stick it to Gillis retention on Luongo part that nixes the whole effort.

Somewhere between Toskala/Rielly and Scrivens/2nds we landed on Markstrom and Matthias and yet the sky did not fall.

We're barely at the Pavel Bure "i'll just sit out then" phase of the story.

The rumors are still glorious.

Rumors of Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, Manny Malhotra, Todd Harvey packages on the main boards.

Someone even throws in a Ziggy Palffy, Travis Green combo.

We are not even there yet.

Again in the end it was Jovocop and again, the sky did not fall that day.

Buckle up. We've only just begun, imo.

 

[arttk]

Absolute bombshell of a thread. Don’t see it posted. More injury related but certainly effects the trade deadline with the handling of demko and Hughes and Petey.

At what point does someone questions if these guys are even safe playing for this organization? Player after player mishandled.

Most logically, Pettersson is hurt right now and his injury has been mishandled. Truly embarrassing from a team I’ve followed my whole life.

holdon don't worry @JT Milker is going to make a little poster and share his beer league experiences with all of us and let us know why this is all actually fine and good.

 

[Hansen]

Absolute bombshell of a thread. Don’t see it posted. More injury related but certainly effects the trade deadline with the handling of demko and Hughes and Petey.

At what point does someone questions if these guys are even safe playing for this organization? Player after player mishandled.

Most logically, Pettersson is hurt right now and his injury has been mishandled. Truly embarrassing from a team I’ve followed my whole life.

I have been saying for years that the Canucks have a growing medical malpractice class action case on their hands, its actually f***ed

 

[JT Milker]

Oh wow Mr I play beer league so my experience applies for pro athlete is speaking up. Oh please enlighten me with more of those beer league takes.

Active NHL players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active NBA players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active NFL players playing with torn ACL: zero
Active EPL/LaLiga/serie A/MLS players playing with torn ACL: zero

I tore my ACL while trying to make team Canada as a marathon runner LOL. That you don’t understand the difference between a pivot sport like basketball, football, and soccer compared to the stress placed on the knee playing hockey speaks for itself. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[Vector]

I am extremely curious to see what develops around the league from Friday onwards.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I am
Extremely curious to see what develops around the league from Friday onwards.

Gonna be a helluva two weeks.

Hoping for some major fireworks.

 

[Nick Lang]

I’ve torn my ACL while playing high level sports. You can play on it and the surgery is technically elective. The recovery (to being back to normal) is close to 2 years. It’s an extremely challenging decision to make.

Yeah I've had so very many injuries, crazy ones too, and way to many surgeries. Luckily I haven't done the ACL/MCL but I know several guys who've played through it ... and while you can mostly it's beer league meatballs that do it because they're strong willed competitors, or impatient as surgery wait times are too long. Ultimately it needs to be fixed though to return to your highest athletic level.

The ones that involved serious competition and where you make a controversial decision is almost always weighed vs the tangible benefit of playing for something significant. This case was extremely odd for a professional player to play a significant portion of a blown season and then miss the start of the following year as a result. I can't recall a situation (incompetence) quite like that ever happening before.

 

[Hansen]

I am
Extremely curious to see what develops around the league from Friday onwards.

Ive got a Crosby trade on my bingo card

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Ive got a Crosby trade on my bingo card

I honestly thought one was coming earlier this year. Thought he’d be going after the Rantanen trade went down.

I could 100% see him going to Colorado.