He put up generational numbers for sure. Whether that translates into a generational NHL career is another thing though. Lots of examples of players not meeting expectations based on their junior numbers.
"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau
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He put up generational numbers for sure. Whether that translates into a generational NHL career is another thing though. Lots of examples of players not meeting expectations based on their junior numbers.
Huh? You sure? I bet we could field some full teams with guys that meet this criteria. I may be exaggerating as I'm not thinking about actual lists, but there are lots of guys that dominate junior and don't even make the NHL....let alone be generational type players.
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You might as well shoot down McKenna and Dupont while you are at it. McKenna is Bedards cousin after all
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I mean dominate and break records at the junior club and international level. Breaking records that generational NHL players set in junior. This is the reason why Crosby and McDavid were hyped as hall of famers before they played an NHL game. Or were you downright skeptical of both of them too ?
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Comparing Bedard to Kane is the opposite of shooting him down.
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What do you think is holding Bedard back from “generational” production then?
I’d (die hard Hawks fan) wager it’s that the size and strength difference between the CHL and NHL is a little too much right now for CB and he’s got to fill out a little more. The time and space he had against teenagers isn’t there for him right now and he’s getting very little help from the 2nd worst roster in the league which has all sorts of ripple effects.
Playing on a gutter team means things like: not being able to transition out of your zone quickly and effectively, getting stuck in your own zone, having players not finish on the chances he creates for term, not having players create chances for him, being completely keyed in on because no one else is worth the attention, etc…are common place for him night in and night out.
He’s a phenomenal talent, he just needs some help.
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I think just about everyone has agreed that he's a phenomenal talent by now, really the only thing i see that keeps getting brought up and held against him is that he's not McDavid/Crosby/generational level. He may "only" be a Patrick Kane-level player, as it turns out.
lol....i mean....do you know how freakin' good you gotta be at age 19 to have people comparing your potential ceiling to Patrick Kane as if its a disapointment/less than what was expected?!?!?!?
lol....i mean....do you know how freakin' good you gotta be at age 19 to have people comparing your potential ceiling to Patrick Kane as if its a disapointment/less than what was expected?!?!?!?
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Bedard didnt really dominate that much more than Tavares in juniors. I think he ends up just better than that. Still elite super star but none elite physical traits.
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TR91TOR ( Tavares) had no skating skills and no strength on the puck when drafted . He spent much of his first couple seasons on his belly on the ice. A private skating coach got him to NHL level but never great . He also quickly realized on the Islanders not good team that when he dumped the puck in there was nobody to go get it . He learned how to be that grinding forward and puck possession player because it was a need . In his early NHL years his line mates were the likes of Matt Moulson and PA Parenteau. Yikes ….. both were crappy players before Tavares then both got paid by other franchises and went back to being crappy . I believe that even though JT has put up a ton of points in his career one of his best attributes was making those around him better. I am an Islanders fan who of course felt betrayed but you can’t go against the pajamas.. Anyway Bedard will be great , not very good but great. He will fill out and lift weights , He will make those around him better and one day have his 1000 points too.
Back to the OP now .. teams do not have to be afraid of him to fear him . LGI ( Lets Go Islanders )
No he wasn't. They have nearly the same ppg through their first two years.
I get that the league is a bit higher scoring now but I think that is offset by Kane having much more talent around him to work with.
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SimpleJack
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See…this is the #1 problem around here. BS misinformation. And look at the confidence in which you’re saying it too…smh. And not even “better”…but “much better”. Probably read some other posters BS and ran with it. Typical.
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If Bedard only ends up being a Tavares (or just slightly better), I'd consider that a disappointment because Tavares fell well short of expectations compared to when he came into the league.
Dude had a career high 88 points and finished top 5 in the scoring race one time, yet people talked about him as though he were a perennial Art Ross contender.
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As someone who has watched almost every one of their games in their first 2 years in the league, this is nowhere near true. Their production is almost identical, and that is despite Bedard playing on a much worse team. To me, Bedard has been more impressive so far.
Does generational talent not mean a “once in a generation” type of player? How many generational talents can you have at once? McDavid is certainly one.
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Patrick Kane was definitely better at driving play than Bedard, especially while attacking through the neutral zone. Bedard is not at all a play driver through the neutral zone. This could be because of him playing centre, but (imo) it’s more because he’s not fast enough to push defenders back.
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This honestly just sounds like ambiguous coach talk to try to justify your preference.
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Nah...all of the superlatives being used to just classify players. It's just folks unable to properly qualify/quantify the difference in players from draft to draft and wanting to slap a tag on them that gets people to think of them in a certain way, so that journalists can, later on, measure them in click-bait articles because that's just what they do to keep themselves relevant.
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Actually, it’s kind of factual. Kane was brilliant through the neutral zone at driving defenders back to the face-off dots because he was super fast. Bedard is an average skater while carrying the puck. Like the thread title suggests, no defender is fearful of Bedard. They stand up at the blue line when he’s attacking with the puck.
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The fact that you think Kane was any faster than Bedard when he came into the league tells me all I need to know. He wasn’t.
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Believe what you want. That’s fine. But (imo) Boudreau’s comments reveal what the league knows about Bedard.
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