"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau

[a mangy Meowth]

Nobody afraid of Boudreau's coaching either

 

[StreetHawk]

Bedard is a twig, light as a feather. Doesn't scare anyone and would probably get shut down bad if the Blackhawks ever make the playoffs. That dude just doesn't play winning hockey yet, no matter the point totals.

Not really a twig. He is lean and pretty cut but lacks Girth. He’s also sub 5’10 per thr combine. Just how he is. Can add a bit of weight over time but defending a smaller guy like him who doesn’t possess great wheels is easier than defending against McDavid or MacKinnon.

 

[Ezekial]

Always had top 5-10 player in the league potential, not top 3 imo.

 

[NyQuil]

The problem with many of the modern rebuilds is these kids are on islands without good role models and they develop bad habits/don't learn good ones.

I think it's a bit unfair to compare style of play to Crosby and Ovie though. They are built differently and came into the league playing a gritty brand of game.

I thought Bedard would be more Kariya lite myself but Paul was light-years ahead in his d plus 2 year in terms of his all around game.

Crosby lived in Mario Lemieux’s house because he was still on the team.

 

[AKL]

I'm sure the season the Avs finished with 48 points, all the teams were laying awake in sheer terror every night before they played them wondering what tricks a 53 point MacKinnon had up his sleeve, and that this post isn't at all captain hindsight

Yeah maybe

Post in thread 'Emergency GDT. Game 2, Wild @ Avs. 8:30pm CST, 4:30am Finland Time.'

Apr 19, 2014

We don't have one single player who can compete with MacKinnon in any aspect of hockey.

• AKL

But the Avs finished with 112 points in MacKinnon's rookie season, played the Wild in the first round of the playoffs, and MacKinnon led them with 10 points in that 7 game series. So maybe not, too.

 

[LeProspector]

I can’t wait for Bedard to get a proper supporting cast.

 

[Dust]

The problem with many of the modern rebuilds is these kids are on islands without good role models and they develop bad habits/don't learn good ones.

I think it's a bit unfair to compare style of play to Crosby and Ovie though. They are built differently and came into the league playing a gritty brand of game.

I thought Bedard would be more Kariya lite myself but Paul was light-years ahead in his d plus 2 year in terms of his all around game.

The problem with the Kariya comparison is that Paul's rookie season would be Bedard's upcoming 3rd season at the same age.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Mackinnon and Hughes were far from special early on. Bedard is on pace for 75 points on a tire fire of a team. He’s physically immature and doesn’t have help. It’s impressive when most people can pick apart holes in his game and acknowledge this team is brutal and that he’s also almost a PPG player.

Give the kid 2-3 years here. He can’t even drink in the city he resides in.

The difference i see there is MacKinnon was a physical beast and Hughes an elite skater. Bedard is small, slow, and weak. He's certainly talented but his physical attributes hold him back a bit. He's going to be an elite player but top 3 like MacKinnon? i have doubts.

 

[surixon]

The problem with the Kariya comparison is that Paul's rookie season would be Bedard's upcoming 3rd season at the same age.

Yeah he was a bit older when he entered the league.

The difference i see there is MacKinnon was a physical beast and Hughes an elite skater. Bedard is small, slow, and weak. He's certainly talented but his physical attributes hold him back a bit. He's going to be an elite player but top 3 like MacKinnon? i have doubts.

Bedard isn't slow. He's definitely above average in terms of speed.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

The problem with the Kariya comparison is that Paul's rookie season would be Bedard's upcoming 3rd season at the same age.

The other problem is outside of Bure Kariya was probably the best skater in the league. Don't see the Kariya comparison at all tbh.

 

[winnipegger]

I said 4 months ago I don't judge teenage hockey players in the NHL because it's so difficult and rare. However as soon as he turns 20 I'm judging him.

 

[Crow]

He’s 19. I don’t get the negativity.

It’s a natural inclination. So is wanting to be right about it afterward.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Yeah he was a bit older when he entered the league.



Bedard isn't slow. He's definitely above average in terms of speed.

Edge stats say otherwise. Top speed is below average.

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[Crow]

Edge stats say otherwise. Top speed is below average.

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Last year 75th percentile. I dunno what to make of that but focusing on only the games so far this year seems faulty.

 

[AKL]

Edge stats say otherwise. Top speed is below average.

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters

That definitely shows a guy with above average speed, he's just not the very top

 

[surixon]

Edge stats say otherwise. Top speed is below average.

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters

I really don't focus on absolute top speed. His bursts over 20 MPH is much more telling to me in terms of his speed the frequency he uses speed.

 

[MakoSlade]

Jack Hughes was a bust for a year and a half. If Bedard has the same drive to improve as Jack does then he will be fine. Even as is he is pretty good though, right?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Oh Bruce

 

[No Fun Shogun]

There are only a handful of players in NHL history that'd be legitimately scary by themselves on the current Hawks roster, tbqh.

 

[Woodrow]

I really don't focus on absolute top speed. His bursts over 20 MPH is much more telling to me in terms of his speed the frequency he uses speed.

His speed bursts over 20mph is also below average.

 

[nturn06]

Mackinnon and Hughes were far from special early on. Bedard is on pace for 75 points on a tire fire of a team. He’s physically immature and doesn’t have help. It’s impressive when most people can pick apart holes in his game and acknowledge this team is brutal and that he’s also almost a PPG player.

Give the kid 2-3 years here. He can’t even drink in the city he resides in.

MacKinnon was not special but was +13 in his first two seasons. Jack Hughes was -29, despite playing on a terrible team.

Bedard is a conbined -68, and he still has more than 1/3 season to fail even more.

I don't think there was any "generational" player coming to the league in recent years, put up nice numbers, and yet finish -44 in a single season.

 

[CanadianHawks]

The difference i see there is MacKinnon was a physical beast and Hughes an elite skater. Bedard is small, slow, and weak. He's certainly talented but his physical attributes hold him back a bit. He's going to be an elite player but top 3 like MacKinnon? i have doubts.

So a small, slow weak player with no supporting cast at 19 is gonna push 75 points….

By that logic, you should be afraid once he gets grown man strength. Most of these issues people are picking apart were the same criticisms a young Kane had. He only became the Greatest American player ever.

If we were comparing Bedard to Hughes at the same age, not a single person would say Hughes has a better shot even though he’s a far superior skater. I have little doubt he’s gonna be a superior player to Jack Hughes. MacKinnons peak is pretty absurd. It’s hard to compare to that. How many guys ever scored 140 plus points. It’s not a long list. Most in the 80s.

 

[Woodrow]

+/- is a terrible stat.

 

[CanadianHawks]

MacKinnon was not special but was +13 in his first two seasons. Jack Hughes was -29, despite playing on a terrible team.

Bedard is a conbined -68, and he still has more than 1/3 season to fail even more.

I don't think there was any "generational" player coming to the league in recent years, put up nice numbers, and yet finish -44 in a single season.

Mackinnon was on a playoff team his first year

He had O’Reilly, Duchene, Landeskog on that team along with a competent coach in Roy

You can’t compare that to the absolute garbage Bedard has played with. Last years Hawks team was literally it’s worth version since the 50s