Confirmed with Link: Noah Laba Signs 2-year ELC

[egelband]

I think the ‘rangers cant develop players’ narrative would have more legs if there were a significant number of players who blossomed after leaving the organization. But the evidence just isn’t there. Buchnevich comes to mind but that’s about it.
I think it’s more that the rangers scouted and drafted poorly.

 

[GAGLine]

I think the ‘rangers cant develop players’ narrative would have more legs if there were a significant number of players who blossomed after leaving the organization. But the evidence just isn’t there. Buchnevich comes to mind but that’s about it.
I think it’s more that the rangers scouted and drafted poorly.

I don't know that that's true. If we assume that we hindered their development, then the damage was likely already done in most cases by the time they moved on. It's like dropping a kid on his head before his skull fused.

Buchnevich didn't really blossom after leaving here. He was already very good, but didn't get PP1 time with us. In his final year with the Rangers, he had 48 points in 54 games and only 8 of those points came on the PP. At EV, he scored at a rate of .67 points per game. His best year was his 1st in St. Louis, where he scored at a rate of .73 points per game at EV. That's not much of a difference.

 

[egelband]

I don’t believe players get ruined - in most cases. I think a team can slow their development or delay a breakout. But I just think guys like Kravtsov and Andersson were just bad picks. Again, it’s not an either/or thing. But I dont think the knee jerk ‘the rangers will ruin him’ is fair.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't know that that's true. If we assume that we hindered their development, then the damage was likely already done in most cases by the time they moved on. It's like dropping a kid on his head before his skull fused.

Buchnevich didn't really blossom after leaving here. He was already very good, but didn't get PP1 time with us. In his final year with the Rangers, he had 48 points in 54 games and only 8 of those points came on the PP. At EV, he scored at a rate of .67 points per game. His best year was his 1st in St. Louis, where he scored at a rate of .73 points per game at EV. That's not much of a difference.

This right here. The prime development years are in your late teens, early 20s. You don't get those years back. You don't catch up to that lost development.

 

[nyr2k2]

Did Lias Andersson fail because we ruined him or because he wasn't that good to begin with? Why can't it be both? Maybe we didn't do him any favors but he was also bound to be a disappointment anyway. There's a lot more nuance to it than we ruined a guy or a guy sucked. I thought we actually did a pretty good job with JT Miller, but he by his own admission had to learn something about himself after being traded before he was able to really put it together. Is that on the Rangers?

I'm generally a believer that most players will either sink or swim regardless of where they're playing. Rare is the player that fails because a team mishandled him, and rare is the player that elevated his game by several degrees because of some outstanding player development program.

 

[Overcast]

I don't know that that's true. If we assume that we hindered their development, then the damage was likely already done in most cases by the time they moved on. It's like dropping a kid on his head before his skull fused.

Boy howdy, haven't we all been there?

 

[failure]

Noah Labia? Hmm.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Scored his first pro goal just after 8 minutes in his professional career. Shorthanded.

 

[Mike in Houston]

He's ready. Call him up. 4th line. 7 minutes.

 

[effen]

Maybe guys in HFD can tell the Rangers about standing up at the blue line. It seems like it works.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I think the ‘rangers cant develop players’ narrative would have more legs if there were a significant number of players who blossomed after leaving the organization. But the evidence just isn’t there. Buchnevich comes to mind but that’s about it.
I think it’s more that the rangers scouted and drafted poorly.

JT Miller
Johnathan Marchessault
Neal Pionk
Anthony Duclair (kinda)
Brett Howden

Im sure I'm missing a few

 

[IDvsEGO]

JT Miller
Johnathan Marchessault
Neal Pionk
Anthony Duclair (kinda)
Brett Howden

Im sure I'm missing a few

JT Miller- doesn't "blossom" until he's moved from TB to Van...
Johnathan Marchessault - He spent exactly 1 season in our org. The majority of his development time was in both the CBJ + TB orgs.
Neal Pionk - Defenseman. We absolutely have no issue developing them.
Anthony Duclair - Was traded as a prospect. Didnt stumble on the rangers, was simply part of the yandle trade before he could become a regular NHL player on a good team.
Brett Howden - He's a 3rd/4th line guy... not calling that breaking out. We thought he had top 6 upside...
he's got 32 points in 66 games with 14:51 ice time this year. He had 23 points in 66 games in his rookie year with us in 14:56 of ice time. Thats not breaking out. He's literally the same player.


The problem with the rangers under gorton wasn't development, it was scouting.