Value of: Noah Hanifin for a 2nd line RHS RW

[Captain97]

Hanifin
2nd or 3rd rounder

For

Toffoli
Chiraot @ 50%

 

[Larry Hanson]

If the Flames trade Hanifin then the biggest need would be a top pairing LH dman, that should end this thread.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Hanifin is the new Brodie in Calgary; the whipping boy for absolutely no reason.

yeah we could use a RW but trading a #2D for a right wing just hurts our offense more than it helps because Hanifin is the key possession guy on our team

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Double post

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The Kings would be interested in Hanfin however i don't see why we need to include the rangers in the trade. I would offer Athansiou

Potential team USA d man for a guy who barely got a contract. Makes sense

 

[KingTech]

Potential team USA d man for a guy who barely got a contract. Makes sense

I suggest u watch his goal against the leafs. That was a skill goal with speed not many nhl players can do. He is a former 30 goal scorer To suggest he barely has a contract is laughable at best.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I suggest u watch his goal against the leafs. That was a skill goal with speed not many nhl players can do. He is a former 30 goal scorer To suggest he barely has a contract is laughable at best.

whats laughable is suggesting a player like Athanasiou is worth a young top pair D on a sweetheart contract for 3 more years

try Turcotte, Byfield, Clarke types to get the Flames to even consider the proposal

 

[KingTech]

whats laughable is suggesting a player like Athanasiou is worth a young top pair D on a sweetheart contract for 3 more years

try Turcotte, Byfield, Clarke types to get the Flames to even consider the proposal

Whats laughable is the fact you think I thought he was worth him. No one offers there top offer off the hop. Its called trade talks not offer accept. There is a feeling out process with any trades

 

[666]

PP2 has literally only scored 2 goals this year, 1 of them was assisted by Hanifin.

He is also +9, 37th league wide in CF%, 15th in the league in GF%, 48th in SF%, 58th in xGF%, 12th in GF/60, 33rd in GA/60, 14th in SF/60, 15th in CF/60, 95th in CA/60, and 24th in xGF/60. Oh and this is out of 217 defensemen that have played at least 50 minutes this season.

You do not have to be putting up points to be really effective

This is exactly why you don't use Corsi stats for individuals. Hanafin happens to be 15th out of 22 on his team for GF% and 5th on defence. And yes, my usage is just as useless.

 

[Dertell]

does something around hanifin + pitlick <> toffoli + kulak works for the habs?

 

[Volica]

This is exactly why you don't use Corsi stats for individuals. Hanafin happens to be 15th out of 22 on his team for GF% and 5th on defence. And yes, my usage is just as useless.

Not sure where you found this stat.
Hanifin and Andersson are 1 and 2 in GF% on the Flames defence.
They're both running over 75% 5 on 5.

 

[666]

Not sure where you found this stat.
Hanifin and Andersson are 1 and 2 in GF% on the Flames defence.
They're both running over 75% 5 on 5.

I used EV from here.
2021-22 Calgary Flames Roster and Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Volica]

Hanifin is the new Brodie in Calgary; the whipping boy for absolutely no reason.

yeah we could use a RW but trading a #2D for a right wing just hurts our offense more than it helps because Hanifin is the key possession guy on our team

And Bouwmeester before him.
I honestly think most of the guys who dislike him aren't even old enough to remember Bouwmeester in Calgary

Calgary has finally loaded up their D with the right coach, and we're looking to subtract already.
Calgary needs another centre, another legit top 6 centre, and we're fine.

Trading an under 25 year old, 22 minute a night, net positive defenceman, who is under a sweetheart for 3 more years, is peak Flames.

 

[blankall]

Toffoli is a value contract for 3 years. A 1st is a starting point, not a max point. You would say the same thing about Backlund if you were in a selling mode and wanted futures. Toffoli as a pending UFA rental at the deadline is a 1st and grade B.

And Valimaki would not be a target of mine as a Habs fan. Don't hate him but he is not a team need for the Habs.

The Habs should be rebuilding, particularly if they are trading Toffoli. The fact you are looking at team needs and not potential shows that you're not assessing this properly.

And no, I don't think Backlund is worth more than a 1st. Sorry, 30ish year old forwards are not worth more, unless they are top tier.

 

[Volica]

I used EV from here.
2021-22 Calgary Flames Roster and Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs should be rebuilding, particularly if they are trading Toffoli. The fact you are looking at team needs and not potential shows that you're not assessing this properly.

And no, I don't think Backlund is worth more than a 1st. Sorry, 30ish year old forwards are not worth more, unless they are top tier.

You don't understand the Habs depth at LD in our pool. Adding another one does nothing for us but clutter one area of depth.

Many people saying the Habs should rebuild but not many considering the amount of contracts with term we have to move. Can you show me a past example where teams traded contracts like that (with term) in lets say a 2 year period? I've asked this several times over several threads and dead silence on replies. I wonder why . Challenge accepted? Come on... there has to be some who want to go on a witch hunt right?

Toffoli as a pending UFA is worth a 1st. But he is not a pending UFA and he is on a value contract. We disagree on his value

 

[666]

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Pretty well the same numbers as my source. What is one of us missing here?

 

[Habs Halifax]

does something around hanifin + pitlick <> toffoli + kulak works for the habs?

I'd consider that.

Another deal if you were willing to trade a future 1st with top 10 protection is both Toffoli and Chiarot for Hanifin and a 1st. Habs can add a 2021 3rd to help your up coming draft and take a 2023 1st if you wish.

I think both Toffoli and Chiarot make your team more battle ready for the playoffs. I'm sure others have noticed the physical game Chiarot has and he skates very well. Not going to get much offense from him but he's very solid in his own end and cause some trouble for other teams forwards in front of the net and along the walls. Toffoli helps the shot power and goal totals. Not going to drive offense by himself but you have centers for him to work with no doubt.

 

[Vachon23]

Tyler toffoli would be my target

Hanifin for Toffoli

I think that's a deal Montreal would gladly make...

That's something we would be interest for sure, even if it's not 1 vs 1

 

[666]

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

You are using GF% I'm using CF%. I was talking about how useless Corsi stats were for individuals.

 

[Volica]

Pretty well the same numbers as my source. What is one of us missing here?

I have no idea. Here's sorted by GF%

 

[Volica]

You are using GF% I'm using CF%. I was talking about how useless Corsi stats were for individuals.

I mean, yeah, because you wrote:
Hanafin happens to be 15th out of 22 on his team for GF% and 5th on defence

That's copy and pasted from your comment. You may have slipped a finger, I get it.

 

[bernmeister]

So Hanifin, 2nd and 3rd for Strome (UFA after this season, might not re-sign), Hajek, and two 4th's?

Awful, really awful for Flames. Downgrade Hanifin for Hajek, downgrade two picks, and add UFA. No thanks.

Strome fits the bill and has added value as a pivot
Agree he could be risk to not extend but amenable to you talking w/him first so there is immediate extension 5 seconds before you get him, as we have seen in other deals.

As to Hajek, he is a good buy low candidate essentially being thrown in for free so you have at least stopgap as you lose Hani.

As to the picks, yes a downgrade, but that is 2 picks this yr in a good deep draft for picks that are next yr

 

[PocketNines]

This thread is a tease. Blues would make a solid offer but we also know he’s not available

 

[Kahvi]

Strome fits the bill and has added value as a pivot
Agree he could be risk to not extend but amenable to you talking w/him first so there is immediate extension 5 seconds before you get him, as we have seen in other deals.

As to Hajek, he is a good buy low candidate essentially being thrown in for free so you have at least stopgap as you lose Hani.

As to the picks, yes a downgrade, but that is 2 picks this yr in a good deep draft for picks that are next yr

UFA, stopgap and downgrading picks is not good value for Hanifin