That's fair, appreciate your input.That's a pass from this Sharks fan
I'd rather us draft Martone if we drop to 3
And if a trade is in the works that I substitute Dallas's 1st for Musty and the 2nd
That's fair, appreciate your input.That's a pass from this Sharks fan
I'd rather us draft Martone if we drop to 3
And if a trade is in the works that I substitute Dallas's 1st for Musty and the 2nd
Yeah, it's not going to be productive when you're going to pretend that every defenseman's trade value is based on points. Trouba's value then was based on a track record too while also playing similar minutes.Yeah if you’re using Trouba as a comp in good faith then we just aren’t going to have a productive conversation here. Here are Dobson's per/82 for his four full seasons: 12G, 43A, 55P playing 22 mins a night. His average point output clears Troubas best season. Sergachev and Jones had a combined 2 seasons that clear that average pre-trade. Dobson's value isn't discounted just because his point totals were slightly down on a year the entire team was decimated with injuries. He has a track record.
You're right, the Jones trade did include the very late first, but I think that you're also forgetting that Boqvist was a very recent top 10 pick. Jones had an NTC at the time of his trade and had leverage - he was still traded for a #8 OA, a #6 OA, moving up 20 picks in the first round, and a second. There are no reports of Dobson playing hardball; contrarily, he signed with a new agent midseason to try and expedite the process of getting a new deal.
Yes, I'm saying Dobson and the #10 (Eklund/McQueen/O'Brien) for the #3 (Hagens/Frondell/Desnoyers), Musty, and the second.
I'm not pretending anything. Offensive defensemen have higher market value than defensive leaning ones. Dobson is probably top 15 amongst defensemen in points since he's been full time, and probably top 10 as an RHD. He's worth a lot. Absolutely more than Trouba.Yeah, it's not going to be productive when you're going to pretend that every defenseman's trade value is based on points. Trouba's value then was based on a track record too while also playing similar minutes.
Being a recent top 10 pick only really matters if you're making an impression with the opportunities you're getting up to that point. Boqvist was pretty average over two NHL seasons where he saw significant time with Chicago. He didn't really have any standout abilities he was showing at the NHL level and since they were getting a bigger more reliable player at his position, they felt he was expendable and his career has played out to show that they were correct in that assessment. Boqvist is very much qualified to be in that good prospect or young roster player category for the generic return I mentioned for Dobson. If Dobson isn't going to play hardball then it's in the Islanders' best interest to get him signed and move forward. As it stands now, the entire reason he's on the trade market is because he lacks a contract and has leverage to get something he wants done whether that's a new deal on the island or a move to a place he wants to go so they can give the Islanders some trade value they can use while avoiding his clearly large incoming extension. Trouba, in the same situation, leveraged himself to the Rangers and got a 7x8 which is right in line with what Dobson is likely to get this offseason. Dobson is probably getting the same 9.82% of the cap which is around 9.4 mil in today's cap that Trouba got in 2019.
As for that proposal, I'd probably say no but that's at least in the ballpark to me.
Who cares if they agree with you? I agree with you.I wouldn't mind to see Nikishin and Romanov playing together for the Isles, but I'm afraid Carolina fans won't agree with me.
If that were true, Karlsson would've gotten more than a 1st round pick coming off his 100 point Norris season. But contracts and leverage that comes with it matters for trade value. When you think that Trouba at that time is a strictly defensive leaning player after a 50 point season, you absolutely are pretending here.I'm not pretending anything. Offensive defensemen have higher market value than defensive leaning ones. Dobson is probably top 15 amongst defensemen in points since he's been full time, and probably top 10 as an RHD. He's worth a lot. Absolutely more than Trouba.
As far as Boqvist, he is on the Islanders now. He wouldn't be the kind of young roster player that you would receive in a trade for Dobson. He is on the same team as Dobson because you can just pick him up for free on waivers. It sort of illustrates the whole risk of trading a proven NHL player for a handful of highly touted magic beans.
Eventhough we made the playoffs, we're still in the retool phase, albeit at the end of it. Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stenberg and Lindstein (forgot to mention him) are going to be important pieces of our roster in the near future.
I'd do 25 1st, 26 1st and, for example, Ralph + potentially a lesser pick/prospect. That package is probably in the same value range as the proposed MTL trade of Hage + 1st + 2nd.
I don't see the Blues trading Neighbours. He's very popular within the organization and is seen as a future captain.
I would do this but I have a feeling Ottawa would not. They just got another center, I don’t think they need Pageau for anything, but they could probably trade one.I think that Ottawa would be a good fit for a rising team with some cap space. Something around Dobson + Pageau for Yakemchuck + Pinto would be beneficial for both teams. Yakemchuck has struggled this year but it gives the Isles something to look forward to in the RHD pipeline. Pinto’s another good young player who’d the Isles like, and has more value than Pageau so that offsets the Dobson/Yak value difference.
I’d like the hear Ottawa fans reactions to this but I think it’s pretty fair for both teams.
I only included Pageau since he’s still a positive asset who would replace Pinto at 3C for a year, but he can easily be taken out of the deal. Add something small or nothing in turn, doesn’t really matterI would do this but I have a feeling Ottawa would not. They just got another center, I don’t think they need Pageau for anything, but they could probably trade one.
Sens fans, what’s been the rollout at C since acquiring Cozens? Do you think you’re keeping both Pinto and Grieg in the offseason?
I only included Pageau since he’s still a positive asset who would replace Pinto at 3C for a year, but he can easily be taken out of the deal. Add something small or nothing in turn, doesn’t really matter
Greig and Pinto have been very successful on the same line for the last month or so, I dont expect any of the Sens centres to get traded.I would do this but I have a feeling Ottawa would not. They just got another center, I don’t think they need Pageau for anything, but they could probably trade one.
Sens fans, what’s been the rollout at C since acquiring Cozens? Do you think you’re keeping both Pinto and Grieg in the offseason?
Chychrun is probably a good player to compare him to though as they play similar roles.I would imagine he garners a return similar to the Chychrun trade to Ottawa. A teens pick, and a couple of seconds or prospects.
I don't think his value is as high as those trade suggestions given the horrible season and contract negotiations.
You are probably right, but I still doubt teams would offer established young players like Eklund. I might be mistaken tho!Chychrun is probably a good player to compare him to though as they play similar roles.
Dobson's 45 point pace over 82 games in't exactly horrible - In comparison to Chychrun, that's more than he ever had in his career pre-trade. Chychrun is an LHD and was two years to UFA, while Dobson is still under team control. Dobson missed the most games of his career this year with 11, while Chychrun had never even been able to play 70 games in a season (to be fair, he played every game in 2021).
But rounding that all up, Dobson plays the more valuable side, scores more points, is younger, is an RFA, and has been healthier throughout his career. For these reasons I think you can expect a larger return than Chychrun.
That’s true - Chychrun was 2 years from UFA, but he was also on a very team friendly contract for 2 years. Dobson will basically immediately be at 9M+ so it’s not like a team is getting a break salary-wise.You are probably right, but I still doubt teams would offer established young players like Eklund. I might be mistaken tho!
Edit- I also feel like his value within the league will be somewhat dictated by his monetary demands
Something around Rakell + then? Rakell + Brunicke? Not sure how much the league values Brunicke yet but the Pens see him as a future stud.He has one game of pro experience, Musty is a no-go for NYI.
They need to acquire someone who can make an immediate impact on the roster.
I could see Rakell being part of a deal, but he’s 31 and signed for 2 seasons. He would not be the main pieceSomething around Rakell + then? Rakell + Brunicke? Not sure how much the league values Brunicke yet but the Pens see him as a future stud.
Pens would then recoup assets sending out Karlsson with retention in a separate deal.
Maybe Winnipeg trades Pionk, a 1st, and a prospect for Dobson.That’s true - Chychrun was 2 years from UFA, but he was also on a very team friendly contract for 2 years. Dobson will basically immediately be at 9M+ so it’s not like a team is getting a break salary-wise.
He also basically came out and said he was down for whatever at locker clean out today - seems like his main objective is to get paid.
They just signed Pionk a few days ago, they're not trading himMaybe Winnipeg trades Pionk, a 1st, and a prospect for Dobson.
Lekkerimaki + Kudryavtsev + 1stYou know the drill, Isles have 75 defensemen under contract and at least one of them needs to go. Dobson is the easiest to move and will get the biggest return. Would prefer to send him to the west coast in case he turns into Pietrangelo. Assuming your team gets to work out a contract with him beforehand, what kind of offer comes through? Some ideas, let me know how off I am:
SJ: Wiliam Eklund + DAL 1st
SEA: Dobson + NYI 2025 1st for Rehkopf, SEA 2025 and 2026 1st (top 3 protected)
MTL: Hage + 1st + 2nd