Player Discussion: Noah Dobson

[Throttle]

Noah regressed in his contract year and people here are pissing in their pants.

Rather than trade him, I’d like to see him playing in the system Roy tweaked last month, having the team tighten up defensively with 5 men low in the D zone. This is more of the type of system Trotz used and Lambert went back to midway last season before he got fired. It’s the system where Dobson had success. Too many times this year Dobson looked like he was caught in between.

On your latter part, that’s pretty much the entire team under Lou, which is mainly due to its construction.

Dobson is a nice player, but there’s enough warning signs on him to be careful with getting locked into a Nurse/Jones type of deal.

 

[Forsbergaura21]

I think he does get traded. There should be interest in him from at least a few teams. I can see a team like Philly or San Jose having some interest. It’s not easy to find a PP quarterback like Dobson…

 

[mm11]

Kid just seems soft, does not show that alpha ability. Through the years I hoped we would see it. Not sure if his nuts didn't drop yet but man I would lean towards testing the market as opposed to paying 9 million a year

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[doublechili]

For all the talk of Dobson having a down year, along with our own eye test, before he got injured he was leading the team in average TOI per game. So it's not like the coaches were disappointed to the point that they were limiting his ice time.

 

[BillD]

The position of offensive defenseman has changed. Emphasis is on the offensive and the defensive is less of an imperative in comparison. Erik Karlsson, Cale Makar, Devon Toews., Rich Werenski are the poster boys for this style of play. However, it's not a complete sellout on defense from these types.
Dobson doesn't quite match up on the O side and is considerably less effective, even disruptive, on the D side. So much so that he is a defensive liability many times while trying to drive offense.
If those guys are 9's on offense and 6 on defense, Dobson is 7.5-8 on offense but 4.5 on defense.
Perunovich appears to be at least his equal if more.
If we could land a proven young scoring forward with upside I do it rather than sink $8-9M on Dobson.

 

[doublechili]

Erik Karlsson, Cale Makar, Devon Toews., Rich Werenski are the poster boys for this style of play. However, it's not a complete sellout on defense from these types.
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If those guys are 9's on offense and 6 on defense, Dobson is 7.5-8 on offense but 4.5 on defense.

Karlsson and Makar are not especially good on D. Not 6s.

I think Dobson needs to figure out how to fit in with Roy - he was doing great before the coaching change. And he might even fit in better when he gets back since the D system has gone more relaxed in coverage since he got hurt.

 

[Throttle]

Well, Toews was the Islanders-version of Toews tonight.

 

[Forsbergaura21]

Any news on when Dobson might return to play?

 

[seafoam]

Any news on when Dobson might return to play?

He needs to sit out 10 games to return from LTIR, tonight is game 10.

He is eligible to return after tonight’s game.

 

[seafoam]

Also worth mentioning NYI needs to clear 1.275M in cap space to activate Dobson off of LTIR.

I believe LTIR’ing Martin and waiving Boqvist/Fasching would get them there.

I think they’ve squeezed as much blood out of the proverbial stone that is Fasching and I’d much rather keep Boqvist in the fold however.

 

[MJF]

Also worth mentioning NYI needs to clear 1.275M in cap space to activate Dobson off of LTIR.

I believe LTIR’ing Martin and waiving Boqvist/Fasching would get them there.

I think they’ve squeezed as much blood out of the proverbial stone that is Fasching and I’d much rather keep Boqvist in the fold however.

We can send Engvall back to the AHL and nobody would miss him. $3M off the roster. Problem solved.

 

[seafoam]

We can send Engvall back to the AHL and nobody would miss him. $3M off the roster. Problem solved.

You can't waive all of the $3M (but I get what you are saying), however I'd rather waived MacLean (I think Engvall is simply a better player regardless of contracts, but unfortunately I think he is protected because he is viewed as a "center".

 

[MJF]

You can't waive all of the $3M (but I get what you are saying), however I'd rather waived MacLean (I think Engvall is simply a better player regardless of contracts, but unfortunately I think he is protected because he is viewed as a "center".

Now we can’t send Engvall back.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

I think he gets a one year deal, 6.5 million.

Next contract is long term and he’s either getting paid as a 50 point guy or 70. Up to him

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I think he gets a one year deal, 6.5 million.

Next contract is long term and he’s either getting paid as a 50 point guy or 70. Up to him

He'll be a UFA for the next contract.

A 1-year bridge deal at this point is nothing less than a game of Russian Roullette.

You either trade him this offseason or get him on a long-term deal akin to what his suspected market value would be.

 

[icelander25]

He'll be a UFA for the next contract.
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A 1-year bridge deal at this point is nothing less than a game of Russian Roullette.

You either trade him this offseason or get him on a long-term deal akin to what his suspected market value would be.

Agree, you can’t take that risk. At this point i’m completely fine with whatever the gm decides, as long as he doesn’t get like $9 mil +. Personally think it’s too big of a move for a new gm so they’ll settle on 8 x 8.

 

[Kevin27nyi]

He'll be a UFA for the next contract.
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A 1-year bridge deal at this point is nothing less than a game of Russian Roullette.

You either trade him this offseason or get him on a long-term deal akin to what his suspected market value would be.

Damn I thought this was the one that would put him in his last rfa year

 

[Kevin27nyi]

Is there a more accurate comparison to a player than dougie Hamilton? Playoff woes and all

 

[doublechili]

Is there a more accurate comparison to a player than dougie Hamilton? Playoff woes and all

If that does turn out to be accurate, trade him asap.

 

[MarsTBOW]

I just do not think he is an $8 million dollar per year player.
If he won't take a 1 Year "Show Me your better defensively" to earn more the next year, than Trade him for a Top Line Forward. Our PP Sucks With Him or Without Him on the Point...

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I just do not think he is an $8 million dollar per year player.
If he won't take a 1 Year "Show Me your better defensively" to earn more the next year, than Trade him for a Top Line Forward. Our PP Sucks With Him or Without Him on the Point...

As we mentioned above, if you give him a 1-year deal now, he's a complete UFA next summer.

Thus, there is simply no more "prove it" deal to be made.

The only way to make use of him as the immense asset he is is to give him the deal the market would demand now (perhaps his camp will dip a bit for loyalty/personal reasons?) - or move him.

As a sidenote: he's arbitration eligible, which should be moot because that only comes into play if he's offered the standard re-upping of 10% and his camp chooses arbitration.

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Haven't thought about him getting offersheeted. That'd first be possible as of July 1st.

 

[WangMustGo]

I just do not think he is an $8 million dollar per year player.
If he won't take a 1 Year "Show Me your better defensively" to earn more the next year, than Trade him for a Top Line Forward. Our PP Sucks With Him or Without Him on the Point...

And hypothetically he goes and has a 70 point season and has a very good season he becomes a ufa and you are giving him 12-13 million to get him to stay. I think Dobson has immense potential, but I think you have to trade him for the best possible package in return.

 

[MJF]

And hypothetically he goes and has a 70 point season and has a very good season he becomes a ufa and you are giving him 12-13 million to get him to stay. I think Dobson has immense potential, but I think you have to trade him for the best possible package in return.

He wouldn’t get $12 million from any team. However if Dobson signed a 1 year prove it deal and then put up a year of, say, 17-55-72pts, I’d gladly offer him his 8 year $80M contract.

And when you consider the team that we’ll likely ice next season, Dobson would be one of the few bright light with a 72 point year.

 

[Throttle]

Is Dobson helping this team win anything? He’s routinely folded in big games. Big risk here with this signing. He’s really not that special. He’s a 50 point defenseman, which don’t grow on trees, but paying top money, he’s not there and most likely never will be.

Watching Bouchard - he’s a trainwreck defensively- he puts up points mainly because of the team he is on that also covers his glaring defensive lapses. He’s solid offensively, but he gets the McDrai big bonus, him on another team…yikes.
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