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Value of: Noah Dobson, based on Sergachev Trade

I think it depends on what NYI's outlook is with Darche. Are they trying to get back in the playoffs or do a 2-3 year rebuild? Are they shopping Dobson because Dobson wants out, or that they aren't willing or able to pay him what he wants? Hard to tell as someone who doesn't follow NYI. And even then, there are a handful of teams that have room for Dobson too, but would he sign in those cities? Is he chasing a bag, willing to play for a team on the rise like Anaheim or my Blues or is he wanting a cup sooner rather than later?

As a Blues fan I'd hope a Bolduc + first + B prospect/roster salary dump package would be enough if Dobson forces Darche's hand (as others said, think of all the hullabaloo about Zegras...and then what he went for), but I may be in a minority where I would live with Kyrou for an extended Dobson. It creates new roster issues to handle for the Blues, but guys like Dobson simply don't end up on the trading block very often and I think he and Broberg would be an incredible d-pairing for the next decade.
nice feedback but the value isn't there for Dobson. Your pick is #19 in a very weak draft. Bolduc is your 3rd best RW behind Snuggerud and Kyrou. Isles most likely are going to sign him. He fits either plan (trying to win now or a 2 year rebuild). So for us to trade our #1 RD dman in his prime (25), it would have to be for a guy like Snuggerud in my opinion.
 
nice feedback but the value isn't there for Dobson. Your pick is #19 in a very weak draft. Bolduc is your 3rd best RW behind Snuggerud and Kyrou. Isles most likely are going to sign him. He fits either plan (trying to win now or a 2 year rebuild). So for us to trade our #1 RD dman in his prime (25), it would have to be for a guy like Snuggerud in my opinion.
Makes sense, and honestly I would move Snuggy for Dobson if I was Army...but the underlying question I have you mentioned in your post: Dobson is a damn good player. Any GM, especially a new one, would only shop a guy like Dobson at all if he refused to negotiate and was going to walk...so unless that's the situation, it may all be moot.
 
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Makes sense, and honestly I would move Snuggy for Dobson if I was Army...but the underlying question I have you mentioned in your post: Dobson is a damn good player. Any GM, especially a new one, would only shop a guy like Dobson at all if he refused to negotiate and was going to walk...so unless that's the situation, it may all be moot.
I think Kyrou for Dobson makes some sense.
 
As Miscs said, we don’t need an RHD back, esp if ASP is in the deal.

That being said, I know he’s dynamic but the smolness scares me. What about 13, ASP, Danielson?

The 9th overall in 2023, 13th overall in 2025, and 17th overall in 2023. 3 1st round picks, basically. That’s insane. What player in the last 10 years has cost that much in a trade?
 
That being said, I know he’s dynamic but the smolness scares me. What about 13, ASP, Danielson?
Chychrun was moved for a 1st (12th), and two 2nd round picks. Dobson is probably valued higher, but he also needs to be re-signed at a premium while Chychrun was still on a very good value contract for 2 more years at that point.
 
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Snuggerud is a better fit timeline wise.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Blues would prefer to move out the bigger contract (Kyrou).

After potentially signing Dobson (8-9 million?), STL wants to add another forward and still need to resign Hofer. The season after that Broberg, Holloway, Bolduc (and Fowler?) need new contracts. The cap is going up, and moving guys like Leddy/Faulk will definitely help, if possible, (also Krug on LTIR) but capspace still might be tight if we have bóth Dobson and Kyrou on the roster. Hence why STL might not prefer to move the much cheaper (albeit less proven) Snuggerud.
 
Yeah. He looked great at the WJC and has put up good numbers in the SHL but it’s hard to gloss over the fact that he’s like 5’10 170. Teams have trouble taking wingers at that size
5’10 Swedish offensive minded defenseman and the Islanders really aren’t a good combo even if he’s the best prospect from Detroit.
 
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Crazy how Isles fans still aren’t understanding that Dobson’s contract situations severely depressed his value. The asks in here are insane.
 
Crazy how Isles fans still aren’t understanding that Dobson’s contract situations severely depressed his value. The asks in here are insane.
Not at all like that. We fully understand that if Darche moves him (and his rights) it’s to a team he will 100% sign with long term. Essentially it’s a trade with the other team talking to his agent to get a deal done right after the trade.
 
Not at all like that. We fully understand that if Darche moves him (and his rights) it’s to a team he will 100% sign with long term. Essentially it’s a trade with the other team talking to his agent to get a deal done right after the trade.
not sure I agree with severely, or the sentiment at all tbh. No team is trading for him without a deal pre-worked out.
Again, you aren’t getting it. Dobson doesn’t have to sign for anything less than the $10M he wants. It’s not just having a contract agreed upon, it’s having a contract that actually provides value.

Let’s do a thought exercise. If Dobson were a UFA right now, what is the maximum contract you’d be willing to offer him?
 
Again, you aren’t getting it. Dobson doesn’t have to sign for anything less than the $10M he wants. It’s not just having a contract agreed upon, it’s having a contract that actually provides value.

Let’s do a thought exercise. If Dobson were a UFA right now, what is the maximum contract you’d be willing to offer him?
It's not a pertinent thought exercise. He would go for more in UFA than he's even asking for now as an RFA
 
It's not a pertinent thought exercise. He would go for more in UFA than he's even asking for now as an RFA
Humor me. I’ll explain why I’m asking and why it’s pertinent when you answer. What is the maximum contract you would offer him in UFA if he were one today?
 
Again, you aren’t getting it. Dobson doesn’t have to sign for anything less than the $10M he wants. It’s not just having a contract agreed upon, it’s having a contract that actually provides value.

Let’s do a thought exercise. If Dobson were a UFA right now, what is the maximum contract you’d be willing to offer him?
Not saying he has to sign a deal or not but the trade would be with him 100% signing with the team acquiring him and them being able to talk to his camp. Not trading him with him holding out after having his rights being moved. If he still intends to hold out and demand an insanely high amount, no one will offer up prime assets for him.
His initial ask of $11m isn’t anything remotely close to what I think he’ll sign for. $11m in 2 seasons when the cap is at its highest is the equivalent of $9.2m in the current cap situation. He’s trying to maximize his money as an RFA and he has every right to do so just like any other player does. Stop overthinking it. Plenty of players have gotten moved in a trade and sign type of scenario with deals being put on paper officially shortly after.
 
Not saying he has to sign a deal or not but the trade would be with him 100% signing with the team acquiring him and them being able to talk to his camp. Not trading him with him holding out after having his rights being moved. If he still intends to hold out and demand an insanely high amount, no one will offer up prime assets for him.
His initial ask of $11m isn’t anything remotely close to what I think he’ll sign for. $11m in 2 seasons when the cap is at its highest is the equivalent of $9.2m in the current cap situation. He’s trying to maximize his money as an RFA and he has every right to do so just like any other player does. Stop overthinking it. Plenty of players have gotten moved in a trade and sign type of scenario with deals being put on paper officially shortly after.
What the deal is with Dobson right now is exactly what the situation was with Timo Meier two years ago.

Meier would have been an RFA in the summer of 2023 with a $10M QO and the opportunity to get himself to UFA in 2024. Because he had so much leverage to get a huge contract, he went for the standard “young player, prospect, late 1st round pick” package at the trade deadline and then got his huge overpayment of a contract. The Devils got him at what was perceived to be a bargain at the time of the trade because they knew they wouldn’t be getting value on the contract he had leverage to make them offer him. Now, even that underwhelming package looks like a great deal for the Sharks, because Meier is overpaid.

And don’t try to sell me on the RHD premium making Dobson a different situation. Meier had the power-forward tag, which is just as rare and valuable.
 
What the deal is with Dobson right now is exactly what the situation was with Timo Meier two years ago.

Meier would have been an RFA in the summer of 2023 with a $10M QO and the opportunity to get himself to UFA in 2024. Because he had so much leverage to get a huge contract, he went for the standard “young player, prospect, late 1st round pick” package at the trade deadline and then got his huge overpayment of a contract. The Devils got him at what was perceived to be a bargain at the time of the trade because they knew they wouldn’t be getting value on the contract he had leverage to make them offer him. Now, even that underwhelming package looks like a great deal for the Sharks, because Meier is overpaid.

And don’t try to sell me on the RHD premium making Dobson a different situation. Meier had the power-forward tag, which is just as rare and valuable.
I’m not selling you on anything with his position and being a right shot. It’s just the fact that this is getting put up with projection of him signing with said team he’s acquired by, nothing more. It’s no different than a team posting up an Evan Bouchard projected offer to Edmonton and it getting discussed. Both are RFA offensive minded defensemen. Then again if you compare Dobson and Bouchard, both seem to be waiting for one another to sign to get a contract done based on the fact they’re very comparable players.
I’m not worried one bit as an Islanders fan right now with Dobson since there was multiple factors which led to his mess of a season. Personally I feel like this summer off and him being able to get a contract done with a whole new agent will help remove stress from him and help bring his game back to where it was the season before.
 
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I’m not selling you on anything with his position and being a right shot. It’s just the fact that this is getting put up with projection of him signing with said team he’s acquired by, nothing more. It’s no different than a team posting up an Evan Bouchard projected offer to Edmonton and it getting discussed. Both are RFA offensive minded defensemen. Then again if you compare Dobson and Bouchard, both seem to be waiting for one another to sign to get a contract done based on the fact they’re very comparable players.
I’m not worried one bit as an Islanders fan right now with Dobson since there was multiple factors which led to his mess of a season. Personally I feel like this summer off and him being able to get a contract done with a whole new agent will help remove stress from him and help bring his game back to where it was the season before.
You’re selling me on the idea that he’ll get more value in a trade than Timo Meier did. I’m strictly talking about trade value right now.
 
any deal for Dobson for me starts with McTavish. I want a proven young forward for him. Not looking for another Defenseman for Dobson.
Aren't the Islanders starting to rebuild based on them being an old roster that missed the playoffs ? They should be looking at prospects and draft picks and getting into the race for McKenna/Lin 2026 sweepstakes and Dupont 2027. They do not look like they are a Peterka away from being a cup contender.

We are done rebuilding after 6 years and willing to trade picks snd prospects for upgrade and take on salary of expensive talented players.
 

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