No KHL break for World Cup, but will release NT players

[Stats01]

I wouldn't care if NHL teams didin't let their top players go.. As long as the Euro Leftovers and Canada-Usa u23 group is there, nothing stops me hating it. This kind of joke tournaments will never be accepted in hockey.. Fans love this sport.

You're the first one to defend "the World Championship" and it's Canadian leftover team but rip apart the WC because it has European leftovers. Hypocrite much.

 

[Stats01]

both of the WC and World Championships are farces. So let's not pick one over the other. If you're going to rip one than rip the other.

 

[Jussi]

The definitive translation is that the league will not shut down for the World Cup farce, but a decision on that will be made in consultation with the clubs at some point in the future. At any rate, they expect 10-12 players would have to be released by their KHL teams to participate in the NHL preseason exhibition nonsense.

Does that 10-12 players mean only Russian on other countries as well?

 

[QnebO]

You're the first one to defend "the World Championship" and it's Canadian leftover team but rip apart the WC because it has European leftovers. Hypocrite much.

Euro leftovers are completely different thing from Canadian World Championship team. Canada is real country, Euro leftovers is not a country, you don't know what you are talking about.

It's not about having best possible teams, it's about playing for your country. If you don't care about nationalism, go watch your local league, I don't care and no one who loves international hockey does't care.

 

[MikeModano9]

This could be insanely entertaining aswell. This tourney, however, has always been irrelevant.

Ill agree with that. It means nothing as far as the History books go. But who cares? People just want to complain because it's Bettman and the NHL.

 

[Jussi]

both of the WC and World Championships are farces. So let's not pick one over the other. If you're going to rip one than rip the other.

At least World Championships doesn't try to insult fans with leftover all-star teams...

 

[QnebO]

Ill agree with that. It means nothing as far as the History books go. But who cares? People just want to complain because it's Bettman and the NHL.

People would absolutely love everything about this if they didin't put leftovers and u23 in it and it's a fact. It's like buying a Ferrari and putting Lada doors and rims in it.

I don't care if it's bettman, I love NHL, I love the fact the tournament is with NHL rink size and rules. They have nothing to do with the hate. It's due to leftovers and u23.. how many million times it has to be said, that this tournament will never be serious with those teams, and that is the only reason behind it.

 

[Jussi]

Ill agree with that. It means nothing as far as the History books go. But who cares? People just want to complain because it's Bettman and the NHL.

No, people complain because the the format is asinine. All though there'd still be reasons to complain (all games played in Toronto), simply having the top 8 IIHF ranked teams would be easier to swallow.

 

[Urbanskog]

..... You do know this isn't the first World Cup...(1996 and 2004..not to mention the Canada Cups prior) And you do know the last one was insanely entertaining. You also know this has absolutely nothing to do with the Olympics in the slightest. Completely irrelevant.

Let's not pretend that the NHL wouldn't seek to withdraw from the Olympics indefinitely if the World Cup proved to be a success.

 

[Macman]

We'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is if someone other than Canada wins.

 

[Urbanskog]

We'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is if someone other than Canada wins.

It's irrelevant no matter what team wins it.

 

[Stats01]

We'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is if someone other than Canada wins.

this X100 I'd love to see these Finnish posters on here if they win the World Cup. Like you said we'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is.

 

[Stats01]

It's irrelevant no matter what team wins it.

Right...but you and others will be the first ones to tell us if you beat Canada for the championship. We'll see. I think you guys will have a totally different attitude towards it if that happened.

 

[Urbanskog]

Right...but you and others will be the first ones to tell us if you beat Canada for the championship. We'll see. I think you guys will have a totally different attitude towards it if that happened.

Well I'd probably say "Canada can't even win its own tournament", yeah.

 

[Jussi]

We'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is if someone other than Canada wins.

Then it would become irrelevant in Canada.

 

[swissexpert]

im sorry... but what are you rambling on about?

its a tournament to replace being in the Olympics. yes, the NHL does not want to participate in it anymore. what exactly is the problem with that? it makes perfect sense as to why.

secondly, IIRC the players like the idea and enjoyed it while it was around. it is just like the world cup of soccer. more emphasis on the hockey aspcect. if the players enjoy it and it makes the NHL more money; I dont see how that is a bad thing at all.

third; we dont have to take a break for it? or worry about the host country not allowing us to participate? and it will mean more attention and money for the NHL? gee Bettman idk, sounds too good to be true if you ask me... lol

i think people just like to complain about every change, cant make em all happy.

If you don't see that this is a terrible thing for any Swiss hockey fan or Slovak or German or whatever, I can't help you.
i' m aware that most of you won't care, but try to at least understand why we are disappointed.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Does that 10-12 players mean only Russian on other countries as well?

it just references Russian KHLers released to the NT for the World Cup. As for other players, (Finnish or Czech) somehow I think KHL clubs won't be as accommodating when that question arises.

 

[swissexpert]

..... You do know this isn't the first World Cup...(1996 and 2004..not to mention the Canada Cups prior) And you do know the last one was insanely entertaining. You also know this has absolutely nothing to do with the Olympics in the slightest. Completely irrelevant.

Thanks for telling me what I already know. To believe that it has nothing to do with the Olympics is pretty naive though.
All Star games are entertaining too. Those new rules are a disgrace to the small countries but I'm ok if you don't care.

 

[FiLe]

this X100 I'd love to see these Finnish posters on here if they win the World Cup. Like you said we'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is.

Personally, I'd laugh out long and loud, since we haven't yet been able to win a proper best-on-best international tournament, but then we go and win this dog and pony show...

And this is why it's "irrelevant". It's not an international tournament, because all teams participating are NOT national teams. So yeah, Finland still wouldn't have won a true best-on-best event, but they did win the NHL moneygrab cup. Yayyy.

it just references Russian KHLers released to the NT for the World Cup. As for other players, (Finnish or Czech) somehow I think KHL clubs won't be as accommodating when that question arises.

If all else fails, Finland can always plug their holes from Jokerit, who will likely comply to all of FIHA's requests.

 

[Macman]

If you don't see that this is a terrible thing for any Swiss hockey fan or Slovak or German or whatever, I can't help you.
i' m aware that most of you won't care, but try to at least understand why we are disappointed.

I understand but keep in mind that the U23 stars and European stars teams are supposed to be one-offs. They're talking about having qualifying games, like FIFA does, to round out the field as this tournament goes forward. I find the current format cheesy too but if it's a means to an end of a true World Cup, I'm willing to put up with it this time. The more international hockey, the better.

 

[FiLe]

The more international hockey, the better.

Too bad this tournament has nothing to do with international hockey. An international tournament has 100% national teams built by their respective national federations, without meddling from the outside. This tournament has four such teams. Team Euro and U23 are NOT national teams, and the NHL blocks Hockey USA and Hockey Canada's access to every player who is not old enough.

Therefore, "it's international hockey, it must be good" is not a valid argument.

 

[Teeder9]

This could be insanely entertaining aswell. This tourney, however, has always been irrelevant.

Especially to teams who can't win it

 

[Macman]

Too bad this tournament has nothing to do with international hockey. An international tournament has 100% national teams built by their respective national federations, without meddling from the outside. This tournament has four such teams. Team Euro and U23 are NOT national teams, and the NHL blocks Hockey USA and Hockey Canada's access to every player who is not old enough.

Therefore, "it's international hockey, it must be good" is not a valid argument.

Congratulations on ignoring the rest of my post.

 

[ForumNamePending]

We'll see how "irrelevant" this tournament is if someone other than Canada wins.

Well I'm sure if say Finland wins it wouldn't go totally unnoticed and would be met with a "oh... that's nice!" by Finnish hockey fans... Sort of like how Canada winning the IIHF is treated here.

At the end of the day the WCup has been a horribly mismanaged tournament that has failed to gain traction anywhere but Canada and I don't think the format for the upcoming 2016 edition is going to do anything to change that.

 

[JackSlater]

People would absolutely love everything about this if they didin't put leftovers and u23 in it and it's a fact. It's like buying a Ferrari and putting Lada doors and rims in it.

I don't care if it's bettman, I love NHL, I love the fact the tournament is with NHL rink size and rules. They have nothing to do with the hate. It's due to leftovers and u23.. how many million times it has to be said, that this tournament will never be serious with those teams, and that is the only reason behind it.

The two gimmick teams ruin the tournament. Completely. International tournaments must involve competition nations (hence... international) and not the preposterous teams being put forward. It would be fine if it was being held between nations only. I do think that the NHL would renege on talks of having the tournament held outside of North America in the future though. They are clearly interested only in having an NHL showcase that makes some money, and that isn't going to happen in Europe (or most parts of the United States). It's amazing that a criminal like Alan Eagleson or an imbecile of the highest order like Bunny Ahearne can do a better job of running a tournament than Bettman and Daly can.

Let's not pretend that the NHL wouldn't seek to withdraw from the Olympics indefinitely if the World Cup proved to be a success.

This seems to be true, at least according to Daly's quote basically saying that if this tournament is a successful best on best tournament (which is impossible at this point) then there is no reason to go to the Olympics.

Too bad this tournament has nothing to do with international hockey. An international tournament has 100% national teams built by their respective national federations, without meddling from the outside. This tournament has four such teams. Team Euro and U23 are NOT national teams, and the NHL blocks Hockey USA and Hockey Canada's access to every player who is not old enough.

Therefore, "it's international hockey, it must be good" is not a valid argument.

Yes, and strangely Hockey Canada is is fact in favour of the format. I though that Renney had potential as president of Hockey Canada, but his support of this idea leads me to believe that he is an idiot. For someone to support this tournament, particularly someone associated with an entity that is adversely affected by it, leaves me with no other possible conclusion.

Quotes from Tretiak in the past seem to indicate that the Russian Federation is on board with the tournament, unfortunately. I hope something happens and they refuse to release any players for this tournament.