no cap space

[lord stanly]

Toronto is signing Alex Bishop from the University of Toronto to a ATO. He’s replacing the injured Petr Mrazek as Jack Campbell’s backup tonight. Due to cap constraints, they can’t (yet) call up someone from the AHL Marlies

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[The Iceman]

And holl out tonight. looks like Lily gets his chance.

 

[VanW27]

Some serious roster mismanagement straight out of the gates this year.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Imagine one day playing for your University team and the next day putting on the pads for a two billion dollar organization, that's almost half your tuition.

 

[ACC1224]

Toronto is signing Alex Bishop from the University of Toronto to a ATO. He’s replacing the injured Petr Mrazek as Jack Campbell’s backup tonight. Due to cap constraints, they can’t (yet) call up someone from the AHL Marlies

What do you mean by 'yet'?

 

[The Iceman]

ChaChing, almost $10K and some memories to last a lifetime.

 

[ToDavid]

To clarify, the Leafs have been running a 22 man roster this season which is very typical and gives them plenty of flexibility. They're cap constrained because they have three non-LTIR injuries at the same time, which would constrain a lot of teams.

That said, we have to play one game short before getting a cap free call up. Not a big deal.

 

[VanW27]

To clarify, the Leafs have been running a 22 man roster this season which is very typical and gives them plenty of flexibility. They're cap constrained because they have three non-LTIR injuries at the same time, which would constrain a lot of teams.

That said, we have to play one game short before getting a cap free call up. Not a big deal.

True, but also completely unnecessary.

We know Holl was nursing some type of minor injury in game 2 and possibly game 1 given the way he played.

So why would you play an injured Dman in both sides of a season starting back to back when you have a guy sitting in the press box who’s perfectly capable of stepping in? Not only does Holl get hurt because of it but he was one of the worst players on the ice in both games, on for all 4 Leafs goals against so far this year.

Now we’re down a top 4 dman and one injury away from an emergency goalie situation due to completely incompetent roster management.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Getting big time Nate "Wonderkid" vibes from little ole' Kyle lately.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Why can't the use an emergency call up?

 

[The Podium]

True, but also completely unnecessary.

We know Holl was nursing some type of minor injury in game 2 and possibly game 1 given the way he played.

So why would you play an injured Dman in both sides of a season starting back to back when you have a guy sitting in the press box who’s perfectly capable of stepping in? Not only does Holl get hurt because of it but he was one of the worst players on the ice in both games, on for all 4 Leafs goals against so far this year.

Now we’re down a top 4 dman and one injury away from an emergency goalie situation due to completely incompetent roster management.

How does that change anything? If Lilly gets in for Holl earlier what changes?

 

[The Podium]

To clarify, the Leafs have been running a 22 man roster this season which is very typical and gives them plenty of flexibility. They're cap constrained because they have three non-LTIR injuries at the same time, which would constrain a lot of teams.

That said, we have to play one game short before getting a cap free call up. Not a big deal.

The regulars will ignore this

 

[Stephen]

I was also available for the game but I can't find my vintage Felix Potvin Koho's in the basement so I had to say no...

 

[The Podium]

Why can't the use an emergency call up?

Need to play 1 game short a roster player to be eligible for an emergency call up.

Goalies are a good caveat because an emergency backup counts towards the 1 game short a roster player. Last season we played a game with 11F.

 

[kb]

Some serious roster mismanagement straight out of the gates this year.

Well, no.

They will be invoking the emergency callup rule after playing short a roster player for a game. This is actually not a bad thing.

 

[VanW27]

How does that change anything? If Lilly gets in for Holl earlier what changes?

What do you mean? If Holl doesn’t play game 2 his injury heals instead of gets worse and he’s available tonight. I think it’s safe to assume if he was ‘good enough’ to play game 2 he would have been fine to play game 3 if he sat for game 2.

Then tonight you demote Lily and call up Hutch and have a full NHL roster.

 

[VanW27]

Well, no.

They will be invoking the emergency callup rule after playing short a roster player for a game. This is actually not a bad thing.

In what way is having an injured Holl, being forced into having an amateur backup for a game, then an emergency call up for our next game better than a healthy Holl, and a regular call up to have an actual NHL goalie for tonight?

 

[kb]

In what way is having an injured Holl, being forced into having an amateur backup for a game, then an emergency call up for our next game better than a healthy Holl, and a regular call up to have an actual NHL goalie for tonight?

Well, Liljegren plays tonight, and he has been better than Holl all preseason. Plus #1

Campbell is starting, and the backup has a 99.9% chance of not playing. Once the game is concluded, the Leafs have the emergency recall available to them without counting against the cap. Plus #2

It's the Sens. Plus #3

 

[VanW27]

Well, Liljegren plays tonight, and he has been better than Holl all preseason. Plus #1

Lily would have played game 2 instead, either way Holl plays 2 and Lily plays one so it’s a wash so not a plus

Campbell is starting, and the backup has a 99.9% chance of not playing. Once the game is concluded, the Leafs have the emergency recall available to them without counting against the cap. Plus #2

The odds of the backup playing aren’t high but they are a lot higher than that, how many times have we seen one of our goalies get injured in the last year 5 or 6 at least. Also counting against the cap is irrelevant, we’re in LTIR so we’re not banking space so having space for a regular recall vs a recall that doesn’t count on the cap makes no difference. Not a plus

It's the Sens. Plus #3
It’s the Sens either way, it’s not like we got awarded playing the Sens because we have injuries. Not a plus

 

[zeke]

They were always going to make use of the emergency recall rules this year.

But they needed to play at least one game with a short roster to trigger the ability to do it.

They chose to trigger it by going with no backup goalie instead of going short skaters up front - like teams like Vegas and Colorado did last year.

 

[zeke]

What do you mean? If Holl doesn’t play game 2 his injury heals instead of gets worse and he’s available tonight. I think it’s safe to assume if he was ‘good enough’ to play game 2 he would have been fine to play game 3 if he sat for game 2.

Then tonight you demote Lily and call up Hutch and have a full NHL roster.

Holl is out because he is sick, not injured.

 

[Stephen]

If you're upset with cap management, I think blame should be placed squarely on the owners and the league and really not the individual managers.

Yes, we've been hit by 1.5 years of a pandemic, but to insist on a 50/50 split of revenues and a multi year claw back/salary cap freeze/handcuffing of teams isn't the way to grow the game. Leafs fans pay the highest ticket prices and can support a much bigger payroll (I think we were an $80 million team in 2004 BTW) but we have a UofT student on the bench because the owners across the league need to get theirs.

 

[hotpaws]

If you're upset with cap management, I think blame should be placed squarely on the owners and the league and really not the individual managers.

Yes, we've been hit by 1.5 years of a pandemic, but to insist on a 50/50 split of revenues and a multi year claw back/salary cap freeze/handcuffing of teams isn't the way to grow the game. Leafs fans pay the highest ticket prices and can support a much bigger payroll (I think we were an $80 million team in 2004 BTW) but we have a UofT student on the bench because the owners across the league need to get theirs.

how does the ability to pay the same players more money grow the game ?

 

[zeke]

Seems like leafs nation has this all backwards.

This is the sign of smart cap management, not bad cap management.

The leafs always knew the emergency recall rules would allow them to call up players without worrying about cap.

For the small price of one game without a backup, they can now call up another goalie indefinitely even though that takes them over the cap.

They were always planning on using the emergency recall rules this year.

 

[ToDavid]

True, but also completely unnecessary.

We know Holl was nursing some type of minor injury in game 2 and possibly game 1 given the way he played.

So why would you play an injured Dman in both sides of a season starting back to back when you have a guy sitting in the press box who’s perfectly capable of stepping in? Not only does Holl get hurt because of it but he was one of the worst players on the ice in both games, on for all 4 Leafs goals against so far this year.

Now we’re down a top 4 dman and one injury away from an emergency goalie situation due to completely incompetent roster management.

Im still failing to see how guys being hurt is a roster management issue? What’s the difference in your scenario? Holl would still be out.