Rumor: NJD interested in Josh Anderson?

[xNogaitx]

7 pages into this trade thread and no one has even mentioned the fact NJD have Andreas Johnsson at 3.4M AAV playing in the minors.

Is Anderson worth 5.5M AAV under the current cap structure? Of course not. Is he worth 3M? Neither.
He's a 20G, middle 6 RW, with speed and size - aka what GMs are renowned to go "gaga" for ahead of a playoff push.

Folks mention trading away Wood, when the intent of this trade for NJ is clearly to add size, not flip one for another. Imo, Wood in this scenario becomes their TDL own rental instead.

Lastly, folks bark at a 1st being included, whereas it looks like that 1st could very well end up be a 25-32nd type of selection, those usually yield middle 6ers, WHEN they pan out. Aka teams at that point would HOPE to land a guy like Anderson at this stage of the draft.



My thinking on the Habs front is they are likely pushing either for RD / G prospect on top of a late 1st. (Considering they are rumored to have turned down a late 1st already.)


My guess?

NJD:
Anderson (Retained down to 4.5M)
Habs 2023 4th rd pick

MTL:
Andreas Johnsson (3.4M)
NJD 2023 1st
Seamus Casey
1M retention on Anderson

I think the Habs would target Daws ahead of Casey, but I think NJD hangs on to Daws over Casey, who is a luxury at this point with Nemec, Hughes, Hamilton, Marino, and Siegenthaler.

 

[samsagat]

Habs fan here.

To be honest, I wasn't thrilled when MB acquired the damaged good that Anderson was (for Domi + a 3rd) back in time.
As I'm not in this type of player bandwagon.

And I'm still not

He might be very big and fast, but I'm a big advocate of hockey IQ as THE quality to have to be successful in the NHL. And Anderson isn't very gifted in that department.

But at the end of the day I'm not an actual NHL GM and in that league, power forwards that are big, fast, rugged, capable of producing some offense and capable of dropping the mitts once in a while are a rarity that is very sought-after.
They're like the philosopher's stone of NHL GMs.

So want it or not, Anderson has some good value because of the famous imbalance in offer and demand he represents..

You guys from NJ don't want him?
It's ok, I understand.

But one team that aspire to make a splash in the playoff will.
Just like when Brisebois paid good returns for the likes of Coleman and Goodrow.

 

[Lou Bloom]

7 pages into this trade thread and no one has even mentioned the fact NJD have Andreas Johnsson at 3.4M AAV playing in the minors.

Is Anderson worth 5.5M AAV under the current cap structure? Of course not. Is he worth 3M? Neither.
He's a 20G, middle 6 RW, with speed and size - aka what GMs are renowned to go "gaga" for ahead of a playoff push.

Folks mention trading away Wood, when the intent of this trade for NJ is clearly to add size, not flip one for another. Imo, Wood in this scenario becomes their TDL own rental instead.

Lastly, folks bark at a 1st being included, whereas it looks like that 1st could very well end up be a 25-32nd type of selection, those usually yield middle 6ers, WHEN they pan out. Aka teams at that point would HOPE to land a guy like Anderson at this stage of the draft.



My thinking on the Habs front is they are likely pushing either for RD / G prospect on top of a late 1st. (Considering they are rumored to have turned down a late 1st already.)


My guess?

NJD:
Anderson (Retained down to 4.5M)
Habs 2023 4th rd pick

MTL:
Andreas Johnsson (3.4M)
NJD 2023 1st
Seamus Casey
1M retention on Anderson

I think the Habs would target Daws ahead of Casey, but I think NJD hangs on to Daws over Casey, who is a luxury at this point with Nemec, Hughes, Hamilton, Marino, and Siegenthaler.

lol, that's god awful for NJ. A 2023 1st round pick in a stacked draft class and a freshman defenseman they just selected in the 2nd round who's put up 14 points in 14 games for a player that has averaged well below .5 PPG over the past 4 years combined and is making $5.5M for the next 4 and half seasons. Based on some of the opinions on here Josh Anderson might just be the most overrated player in the league.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Habs fan here.

To be honest, I wasn't thrilled when MB acquired the damaged good that Anderson was (for Domi + a 3rd) back in time.
As I'm not in this type of player bandwagon.

And I'm still not

He might be very big and fast, but I'm a big advocate of hockey IQ as THE quality to have to be successful in the NHL. And Anderson isn't very gifted in that department.

But at the end of the day I'm not an actual NHL GM and in that league, power forwards that are big, fast, rugged, capable of producing some offense and capable of dropping the mitts once in a while are a rarity that are very sought-after.
They're like the philosopher's stone of NHL GMs.

So want it or not, Anderson has some good value because of the famous imbalance in offer and demand he represents..

You guys from NJ don't want him?
It's ok, I understand.

But one team that aspire to make a splash in the playoff will.
Just like when Brisebois paid good returns for the likes of Coleman and Goodrow.

Coleman and Goodrow were valuable because they were cheap and a cap strapped team like the Lightning had very little flexibility in terms of adding talent at the deadline. Josh Anderson is the exact opposite, any team adding him is killing their flexibility moving forward due to his contract.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

People say “we” like they actually work the the Devils lmao. You have no idea what the GM is up to. Multiple insiders said last year there was interest in Anderson and I doubt that’s changed whether it’s NJ or not is irrelevant.

It’s one thing to not be a fan of the player or not want the team you cheer for to trade for him, but don’t act like you speak for the GM of an NHL team.

We know Tom Fitzgerald’s thinking and who has input on his decisions. We will not be a trading for an injury prone mediocre one dimensional player on an awful contract.

Anderson literally doesn’t even get in the lineup right now even with Palat out. No point. If we want a guy like that we’ll just resign Wood.

 

[samsagat]

Coleman and Goodrow were valuable because they were cheap and a cap strapped team like the Lightning had very little flexibility in terms of adding talent at the deadline. Josh Anderson is the exact opposite, any team adding him is killing their flexibility moving forward due to his contract.

Maybe, but when a team is in his "window", they might sacrifice future salary cap flexibility for a pitch for immediate playoffs success.

Furthermore, a (shorter) bad contract could come the other way.

And Covid flat cap won't be eternal.
The salary cap will go up sooner than later.

Crafty GMs always find a way.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Maybe, but when a team is in his "window", they might sacrifice future salary cap flexibility for a pitch for immediate playoffs success.

Furthermore, a (shorter) bad contract could come the other way.

And Covid flat cap won't be eternal.
The salary cap will go up sooner than later.

Crafty GMs always find a way.

But Josh Anderson isn't the caliber or player that you sacrifice future flexibility for. There was a clear logic for why Tampa Bay has targeted players like Coleman, Goodrow and most recently Hagel, because they were all making sub $2M and were clearly great values on their respective contracts. Josh Anderson is negative value on his current deal and that deal goes until 2027.

 

[xNogaitx]

lol, that's god awful for NJ. A 2023 1st round pick in a stacked draft class and a freshman defenseman they just selected in the 2nd round who's put up 14 points in 14 games for a player that has averaged well below .5 PPG over the past 4 years combined and is making $5.5M for the next 4 and half seasons. Based on some of the opinions on here Josh Anderson might just be the most overrated player in the league.

Again, stacked draft or not, a late 1st is usually a 50/50 gamble year-after-year. I would 100% agree that it's an overpay if - if - it was a top 15 selection, but we are talking about a pick that likely ends in the late 20s. Go back 10 years and you get like the odd Pastrnak or Theodore coming out of those picks, whereas the vast majority end up as middle-to-bottom 6ers, if they make the league.

I get the unknown is sexy, but a team like the Devils are already guaranteed to ship out that first at the TDL to go for a playoffs push.

Now whether someone prefers to use that 1st on a one-off, or to add for multiple runs at a more reasonable cap hit is up to the buyer.

So in most scenarios, Anderson's contribution is higher than what most of the guys (if not all) in the 25-32 range will provide YEARS after this draft.

To get him (an immediate certainty vs. the untimely unknown of a draft pick that won't be in the line up for these playoffs) for multiple years at a more reasonable cap hit, and get rid of a cap dump in Johnsson will come at a cost. The example I gave is exactly just that, a undersized, high junior producing guy recently picked who has a very limited possibility of making the team due to how stacked they are on D moving forward. This is a premium trade chip a team like the Devils can use in such a scenario.

We all over-hype our prospects, but at the end of the day, getting a power forward at 4.5M for multiple years, who chips in 20G+ per season at 5on5 is a solid get.

 

[waitin425]

Ignore the cap for a moment. What do devils fans think of this......and take it easy on me please!

Anderson + Conditional Florida 1st for Holtz.

***Conditions---If the pick is 20-32, New Jersey has to take it. If it is inside the top 20, the Habs have the choice to defer that pick to the Habs 2024 1st rounder unconditional. So if the Florida pick is say 15th overall....the Habs could keep that pick and gamble that their 2024 1st will be outside the top 15******

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Like every other Habs player being traded, he isn’t worth a 12th round pick on HF but will suddenly and miraculously have value to an actual real life NHL GM

 

[Gaud]

Players like Anderson get overpaid in the NHL... it's just the way it is. Tough physical players who can forecheck and score become very valuable in a long playoff run. I could definitely see a contending team making a push for him, but I don't think the Habs need to rush this move.

Absolutely. This.

The guy is basically a train with two stops; our zone, your zone. It's clear that teams will pay more for size with speed, and pay more at the deadline, and pay more when it means someone that uses size in playoffs. Add to that the fact that we don't really NEED to trade him; the hype is because he has value in a team that is rebuilding and that its no fun to talk about trading the plugs we are really trying to get rid of.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets more than a Lekhonen-level return (2nd round pick and Justin Barron) at the deadline.

 

[Nocashstyle]

7 pages into this trade thread and no one has even mentioned the fact NJD have Andreas Johnsson at 3.4M AAV playing in the minors.

Is Anderson worth 5.5M AAV under the current cap structure? Of course not. Is he worth 3M? Neither.
He's a 20G, middle 6 RW, with speed and size - aka what GMs are renowned to go "gaga" for ahead of a playoff push.

Folks mention trading away Wood, when the intent of this trade for NJ is clearly to add size, not flip one for another. Imo, Wood in this scenario becomes their TDL own rental instead.

Lastly, folks bark at a 1st being included, whereas it looks like that 1st could very well end up be a 25-32nd type of selection, those usually yield middle 6ers, WHEN they pan out. Aka teams at that point would HOPE to land a guy like Anderson at this stage of the draft.



My thinking on the Habs front is they are likely pushing either for RD / G prospect on top of a late 1st. (Considering they are rumored to have turned down a late 1st already.)


My guess?

NJD:
Anderson (Retained down to 4.5M)
Habs 2023 4th rd pick

MTL:
Andreas Johnsson (3.4M)
NJD 2023 1st
Seamus Casey
1M retention on Anderson

I think the Habs would target Daws ahead of Casey, but I think NJD hangs on to Daws over Casey, who is a luxury at this point with Nemec, Hughes, Hamilton, Marino, and Siegenthaler.

Seamus Casey and a 1st rounder in a trade for Josh Anderson.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Again, stacked draft or not, a late 1st is usually a 50/50 gamble year-after-year. I would 100% agree that it's an overpay if - if - it was a top 15 selection, but we are talking about a pick that likely ends in the late 20s. Go back 10 years and you get like the odd Pastrnak or Theodore coming out of those picks, whereas the vast majority end up as middle-to-bottom 6ers, if they make the league.

I get the unknown is sexy, but a team like the Devils are already guaranteed to ship out that first at the TDL to go for a playoffs push.

Now whether someone prefers to use that 1st on a one-off, or to add for multiple runs at a more reasonable cap hit is up to the buyer.

So in most scenarios, Anderson's contribution is higher than what most of the guys (if not all) in the 25-32 range will provide YEARS after this draft.

To get him (an immediate certainty vs. the untimely unknown of a draft pick that won't be in the line up for these playoffs) for multiple years at a more reasonable cap hit, and get rid of a cap dump in Johnsson will come at a cost. The example I gave is exactly just that, a undersized, high junior producing guy recently picked who has a very limited possibility of making the team due to how stacked they are on D moving forward. This is a premium trade chip a team like the Devils can use in such a scenario.

We all over-hype our prospects, but at the end of the day, getting a power forward at 4.5M for multiple years, who chips in 20G+ per season at 5on5 is a solid get.

Well, considering he’s literally only cracked 20 goals one time four seasons ago, and 5v5 scoring is one of the only things he’s good at, maybe he’s overpaid, by like a lot, even at 4.5. Also him being signed until 2027 is not anywhere near a selling point at all. His play style will have him drop off a cliff any day if it hasn’t started to already.

 

[samsagat]

But Josh Anderson isn't the caliber or player that you sacrifice future flexibility for. There was a clear logic for why Tampa Bay has targeted players like Coleman, Goodrow and most recently Hagel, because they were all making sub $2M and were clearly great values on their respective contracts. Josh Anderson is negative value on his current deal and that deal goes until 2027.

Mmmm, I must admit that your arguing skills are up to the roof man, you have good points here.

You're right, Anderson, because of his contract, isn't TD material. In the sense that he wouldn't fetch typical draft round picks and prospects/suspects as a return.

BUT, where I think your logic isn't as flawless as you think, is when you say he has negative value.

It isn't the case because of the type of player he is.

I think he could be part of a hockey deal for a player that have a big contract too, but still has some good value.

Let's take TB as an EXAMPLE, because they showed they were ready to take some calculated risks when they acquired a certain type of player to win it all in the playoffs.

They actually have 4 NHL caliber RHD: Perbix, Foote, Myers and Cernak.

Cernak doesn't have a good season as of now, he is making 5,2 mil (untill 2030-2031).
He has become an expansive commodity they have in surplus.

Cernak for Anderson?

I think it's reasonable.

Both are types of player that are sought-after comes playoffs. Both have some value because of it.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Ignore the cap for a moment. What do devils fans think of this......and take it easy on me please!

Anderson + Conditional Florida 1st for Holtz.

***Conditions---If the pick is 20-32, New Jersey has to take it. If it is inside the top 20, the Habs have the choice to defer that pick to the Habs 2024 1st rounder unconditional. So if the Florida pick is say 15th overall....the Habs could keep that pick and gamble that their 2024 1st will be outside the top 15******

As a Devils fan there is no way I'm trading Holtz...As far as Anderson I don't want to knock him as he does have value but imo he has not played up to that last year in Columbus not even close...He has size is big and fast can get goals but to me and Hab fans know better than I do, he just doesn't seem to play hard game in game out is that the case?? I do think they are interested in him because his name came up last year so it's possible but only angle I see from Fitz is a possible add for this year but mainly a replacement for Miles Wood but at even 4.5 that's too much and imo Wood brings it game in game out I'd resign him...Lastly we are off to great start but until I know closer to deadline we are more than likely a playoff team I wouldn't part with the first either ....no offense to Hab fans for Anderson...

 

[Lou Bloom]

Again, stacked draft or not, a late 1st is usually a 50/50 gamble year-after-year. I would 100% agree that it's an overpay if - if - it was a top 15 selection, but we are talking about a pick that likely ends in the late 20s. Go back 10 years and you get like the odd Pastrnak or Theodore coming out of those picks, whereas the vast majority end up as middle-to-bottom 6ers, if they make the league.

I get the unknown is sexy, but a team like the Devils are already guaranteed to ship out that first at the TDL to go for a playoffs push.

Now whether someone prefers to use that 1st on a one-off, or to add for multiple runs at a more reasonable cap hit is up to the buyer.

So in most scenarios, Anderson's contribution is higher than what most of the guys (if not all) in the 25-32 range will provide YEARS after this draft.

To get him (an immediate certainty vs. the untimely unknown of a draft pick that won't be in the line up for these playoffs) for multiple years at a more reasonable cap hit, and get rid of a cap dump in Johnsson will come at a cost. The example I gave is exactly just that, a undersized, high junior producing guy recently picked who has a very limited possibility of making the team due to how stacked they are on D moving forward. This is a premium trade chip a team like the Devils can use in such a scenario.

We all over-hype our prospects, but at the end of the day, getting a power forward at 4.5M for multiple years, who chips in 20G+ per season at 5on5 is a solid get.

He's paced for 37 points per 82 games since he's gone to Montreal, while averaging well over 16 mins his first two seasons there, His P/60 in that time frame is similar to a defense first forward in Barclay Goodrow. So he doesn't provide much offense, he's not good defensively, he has zero value in special teams and he's an injury prone player that plays a style of hockey that ages very poorly, yet you expect him to get a 1st round pick plus a good prospect?

You also don't understand why 1st round picks are valuable. It's not just the potential outcome, it's the fact that you're getting long term team control of the player you select with that pick that makes it a valuable asset and not something that should just be traded for peanuts.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Shades of David Clarkson.

People really do go out of their way to say the dumbest shit. There is nothing similar between Clarkson and Anderson.

 

[Classic Devil]

7 pages into this trade thread and no one has even mentioned the fact NJD have Andreas Johnsson at 3.4M AAV playing in the minors.

Is Anderson worth 5.5M AAV under the current cap structure? Of course not. Is he worth 3M? Neither.
He's a 20G, middle 6 RW, with speed and size - aka what GMs are renowned to go "gaga" for ahead of a playoff push.

Folks mention trading away Wood, when the intent of this trade for NJ is clearly to add size, not flip one for another. Imo, Wood in this scenario becomes their TDL own rental instead.

Lastly, folks bark at a 1st being included, whereas it looks like that 1st could very well end up be a 25-32nd type of selection, those usually yield middle 6ers, WHEN they pan out. Aka teams at that point would HOPE to land a guy like Anderson at this stage of the draft.



My thinking on the Habs front is they are likely pushing either for RD / G prospect on top of a late 1st. (Considering they are rumored to have turned down a late 1st already.)


My guess?

NJD:
Anderson (Retained down to 4.5M)
Habs 2023 4th rd pick

MTL:
Andreas Johnsson (3.4M)
NJD 2023 1st
Seamus Casey
1M retention on Anderson

I think the Habs would target Daws ahead of Casey, but I think NJD hangs on to Daws over Casey, who is a luxury at this point with Nemec, Hughes, Hamilton, Marino, and Siegenthaler.

No.

 

[Classic Devil]

Ignore the cap for a moment. What do devils fans think of this......and take it easy on me please!

Anderson + Conditional Florida 1st for Holtz.

***Conditions---If the pick is 20-32, New Jersey has to take it. If it is inside the top 20, the Habs have the choice to defer that pick to the Habs 2024 1st rounder unconditional. So if the Florida pick is say 15th overall....the Habs could keep that pick and gamble that their 2024 1st will be outside the top 15******

Ignore the cap? I'd strongly consider it. But the cap is the whole issue here.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Ignore the cap for a moment. What do devils fans think of this......and take it easy on me please!

Anderson + Conditional Florida 1st for Holtz.

***Conditions---If the pick is 20-32, New Jersey has to take it. If it is inside the top 20, the Habs have the choice to defer that pick to the Habs 2024 1st rounder unconditional. So if the Florida pick is say 15th overall....the Habs could keep that pick and gamble that their 2024 1st will be outside the top 15******

There are currently zero Devils RWs I would take out for Anderson. Zetterlund is already a more well rounded and effective player. Bastian is a perfect 4th liner and plays an important special teams role. Bratt and Mercer, no explanation needed. We have no room for this player, and that’s not even considering his awful contract.

 

[My3Sons]

The NJ GM has admitted that he pursues players over a long period of time. Graves and Siegenthaler and Marino are all guys he was patient on and waitied until the cap or expansion draft made their original teams look to move them. But Fitz is a value shopper. He has gotten guys for seconds and thirds and B prospects or in the case of Marino a guy he wanted to move on from. It’s hard to see him part with a first let alone a first and a good prospect. What I could see having happened is if MTL really came to NJ and offered Anderson in some package for the second pick before the last draft that NJ might perceive MTL was looking to shed that salary and fast forward to this season NJ maybe feeling out if MTL would move him for something palatable to NJ. If the answer is no then NJ moves on. If you read between the lines it sounds like NJ had that sort of discussion with Vancouver at some point last year. The teams couldn’t see eye to eye and nothing happened. My guess is the same is true here. If MTL will want to get a big return for Anderson that is just not the style for the NJ GM.

 

[FerrisRox]

Not sure why Habs fans believe they can rebuild the team in one year while everyone else takes multiple years.

Can you find even one single post on the entire site, in any thread, on any topic, where even one Montreal Canadien fan states that they believe the team can be rebuilt in one year?

What a bizarre thing to make up and then randomly assign to a fanbase.

Holtz can't get in the lineup because he's too slow, Josh is a slug...

never in a million years

You're really embarrassing yourself here. Josh Anderson's number one asset is his speed.

Why would you weigh in with your opinion of a player that you quite clearly know nothing about? All you have done is proven to anyone here who is familiar with Josh Anderson that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Classic Devil]

People really do go out of their way to say the dumbest shit. There is nothing similar between Clarkson and Anderson.

Really?

Let's see:

David Clarkson at time of UFA: 28 years old. Career high goals was 30, career high points was 46. The next year, which was both lockout-shortened and his pending UFA season, he also scored at a 30-goal, 40-point pace.

To that point, Clarkson had been largely healthy, playing 80-82 games every season except 1 (2009-2010, where he played only 46).

Josh Anderson: like Clarkson, has never scored 50 points. His career high in goals is 27, which he accomplished five seasons ago. Since then, he's paced for 30 goals a few times, but never made it because of injury issues which plague him seemingly every season. Because of those injuries, he can only be relied upon to produce 20-30 points a season. Like Clarkson at the time of UFA, he's now 28.

They have differences in style. Both were physical, but Clarkson was the net front garbage man, sort of a low-rent Ryan Smyth, while Josh Anderson actually can skate. But their rates of production are very similar, and Clarkson actually had a much more promising health record than Anderson currently does.

I certainly would not sign Anderson to his current contract, because (1) he's overpaid for what he brings, and (2) he's constantly injured, which is a big predictor of performance decline.

 

[samsagat]

Well, considering he’s literally only cracked 20 goals one time four seasons ago, and 5v5 scoring is one of the only things he’s good at, maybe he’s overpaid, by like a lot, even at 4.5. Also him being signed until 2027 is not anywhere near a selling point at all. His play style will have him drop off a cliff any day if it hasn’t started to already.

A lot?

No

At 4,5 mil he's right there, because of the (not so) intangibles he brings to the table.

If it was all about points in the NHL, then guys like DeAngelo and Gostisbehere would be highly valuable.

Legitimate top 3 players are worth 8-13 mil these days

Middle 6 like Anderson are more like in the 3,5 to 6,5 mil range, depending on what they bring to the table

Anderson might not be a perfect player, he has some obvious flaws.
But he has qualities that are in high demand too.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Really?

Let's see:

David Clarkson at time of UFA: 28 years old. Career high goals was 30, career high points was 46. The next year, which was both lockout-shortened and his pending UFA season, he also scored at a 30-goal, 40-point pace.

To that point, Clarkson had been largely healthy, playing 80-82 games every season except 1 (2009-2010, where he played only 46).

Josh Anderson: like Clarkson, has never scored 50 points. His career high in goals is 27, which he accomplished five seasons ago. Since then, he's paced for 30 goals a few times, but never made it because of injury issues which plague him seemingly every season. He produces 20-30 points a season. Like Clarkson at the time of UFA, he's now 28.

They have differences in style. Both were physical, but Clarkson was the net front garbage man, sort of a low-rent Ryan Smyth, while Josh Anderson actually can skate. But their rates of production are very similar, and Clarkson actually had a much more promising health record than Anderson currently does.

I certainly would not sign Anderson to his current contract, because (1) he's overpaid for what he brings, and (2) he's constantly injured, which is a big predictor of performance decline.

I was strictly talking about style but Josh Anderson is a shit-ton more useful than Clarkson (and infinitely more of a threat in open-ice play instead of having a strict utility) was outside of his goal-scoring ability. The guy scored 6 points on a Cup run and was still one of its key forwards if only due to his insane forechecking ability and the matchups he can create.

His injury concerns are about the only criticism of Josh Anderson that I buy and why I wouldn't fault fans for being wary of taking him on. Being worried about the 5.5 (outside of injury concerns) is a joke. He's a unique player in a good way.