Rumor: NJD interested in Josh Anderson?

[HugeInTheShire]

Tell us you know nothing about Josh Anderson without telling us you know nothing about Josh Anderson

Congratulations, you're the 100th person to call out this exact same thing to this obvious trap.
Dude drops a slug comment and peaces out of the thread, and everyone keeps biting

 

[Kennerback]

When talking to Habs fans you need to consider that a bad contract for us is Armia, Drouin, Dadonov, Hoffman or Gallagher's. Anderson's contract doesn't even register in Montreal when talking about shedding overpaid assets. Aside from our first liners, the only two Top-6 players somewhat living up to their contracts are Anderson and Monahan.

 

[Kennerback]

Not just an idiot, a flat-out idiot. Seems like the kind of guy you want to keep on your roster.

Aside from Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Slafkofsky, the next bang for your buck Forward Contract is Anderson. If you want to pay a lot but still get a good player you can also go Monahan. And it ends there. You don't want to touch with a Ten-Foot pole any other Forward Contract. We have many bottom 6 players with monster contracts.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Makes sense, but it's reflected in the "original price" too. Ie. The acquiring team would get a "discount" on the player if he's overpaid by 2M, but would have to pay a premium to get a player underpaid by 1.5. So, to get from 2M overpaid to 1.5M underpaid, the difference in value is 3.5M overall.

Using picks for illustration.

In your example, player X is paid 7M but worth 5M, then he's slightly overpaid but still a good player (and if the cap rises it could become a decent cap hit). Perhaps his value is a 3rd round pick (in which case it might be better to keep him until he can be a high value rental).

But if the player was paid 5M, he'd be worth a 2nd rounder, because he'd be a good player on a fair contract.

If you retain to 50%, then the player's cap hit is 3.5 - making his contract solid value, then maybe he's worth a 1st rounder.


Of course some players, under circumstances, have negative value and you need to pay to get rid of their contracts. But, Anderson's not one of these cases. His trade value is affected by being overpaid, but he's still a valuable player.

Correct. Whether a players actual value is above or below the line relative to his AAV is something that has to be considered. I point this out because it seems like it's a default assumption for many that the amount of retention is the only factor determining value. But its not that simple. The acquiring team shouldnt be paying for the other teams mistakes.

 

[Bevans]

Have they considered anything less drastic, like say... playing Miles Wood more than 9 minutes a game?

 

[The Great Weal]

Congratulations, you're the 100th person to call out this exact same thing to this obvious trap.
Dude drops a slug comment and peaces out of the thread, and everyone keeps biting

Thanks! People posting dumb shit deserved to get called out on it.

 

[abo9]

Correct.

Correct. Whether a players actual value is above or below the line relative to his AAV is something that has to be considered. I point this out because it seems like it's a default assumption for many that the amount of retention is the only factor determining value. But its not that simple. The acquiring team should be paying for the other teams mistakes.

I do think the biggest issue is retaining 4 years. Has any team done that? Much better to keep the guy for 3 years and hope you can flip during a career year or sell @50% as a rental

 

[Kennerback]

Another thing to consider is that when the Habs trade either Anderson or Monahan it litterally means they're sticking a fork in their season. It would make much more sense for them to wait closer to trade deadline to shed roster players for future considerations. Right now the Habs are playing .500.

 

[McSuper]

Anderson is at his best when he uses his speed to hunt pucks and mash opposing defenders into the boards causing turnovers , also good at screening goalies , tipping pucks , scoring timely goals and defending his teammates . If you're looking for prolific scoring then look elsewhere he isn't that guy . He won't be moved for anything less than fair value so no retention or useless cap dumps coming back , though I'm sure they would take a useful contract to facilitate a deal if they were trying to move him .

His contract isn't fair value for his play. at 5.5 you expect at 50 point player that i defensively responsible,Anderson is nothing like that.

 

[Eggtimer]

I can’t see Fitz takimg on that contract for 4 years. Find out what you need after this sewosn and use the flexibility to go after the perfect fit. I’d way rather try for Meier than Anderson . It wo coat way more assets to get Meier but it’s worth it. Anderson doesn’t move the needle enough to warrant the contract and is not THAT much of an upgrade on what we currently have on the roster. (Wood / Tatar )

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

I don't think it makes a ton of sense to look at this until next year if Wood doesn't come back. Anderson is basically the suped up version of wood, but he's 18 months older and I would assume that Wood is not as expensive even when he signs his deal this off season. Signing Wood to 4.5 x 4 (something I am completely against) still makes a ton more sense than giving up assets to trade for Anderson at 5.5 .

Now, retention can certainly make this a more interesting acquisition, however i feel like Montreal isn't retaining anything major for 4 more years. Maybe they'd retain something like 1.0 - 1.5? I think Arizona retained 1M on 5 years of OEL, and Toronto 1.2 on 5 years of Kessel?

So really I feel like this would be the type of acquisition that the devils would house until the off season.

Could be Fitz's angle to have retention bring his cap hit lower but no way does Anderson have Wood's motor or compete....Only think he does this if it makes LT sense for Devils cap wise...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

No thanks lol

 

[Spring in Fialta]

No thanks lol

Are you going to treat us to another lie about how you record Montreal Canadiens games and watch them after the Devils game?

 

[Captain97]

Who the f*** is Tony Marinaro? Sounds like a Sopranos castoff

Former TSN reporter now on TVA (French sportsnet) doesn't break news often but he definitely has connections

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Are you going to treat us to another lie about how you record Montreal Canadiens games and watch them after the Devils game?

Huh?

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Thanks! People posting dumb shit deserved to get called out on it.

Sure, but he doesn't care. He hasn't responded in any way.
Calling him out for his stupid take just derails the thread.

I know you think you must defend your guy, but this was so obviously bait.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Huh?

LOL. Of course you don't remember. You were lying.

Sean Monahan thread. You kept talking about how he sucked even for the Habs, got called out multiple times, including by me who said it was getting pretty obvious that you didn't watch the Canadiens play, especially as it wouldn't make sense because they often play the same time/day as the Devils.

You replied 'Ever heard of recording games?' and said that you watched Habs games.

That was obviously a lie considering your opinions and current amnesia.

 

[The Great Weal]

Calling him out for his stupid take just derails the thread.

And what you're doing isn't derailing the thread?

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I can’t see Fitz takimg on that contract for 4 years.

Maybe you're right, but the one thing we should never underestimate is how much GM's love players like Anderson. They always have and always will love the stuff he brings, and those type of guys don't grow on trees.

Jarmo didn't want to lose him in the expansion draft and went out of his way to trade with Vegas (giving up Karlsson in the process).

Even after a terrible write-off season with the Jackets, Bergevin gave him a 7 year deal.

I wouldn't necessarily feel overly comfortable about speculating whether the GM wants to stay away from the contract entirely. And if there's a way to make the Habs retain a little bit (without him the Habs are going to be almost 30M below the cap next year only missing a few forwards from a full roster, not counting Price), Anderson's cap hit can be very reasonable for a middle 6 winger as the cap is presumably going up significantly over the duration of his contract.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

And what you're doing isn't derailing the thread?

Fair enough, I was just trying to point out that he'd already been called out numerous times and responded to zero of those call outs. So doing again was pointless.

This thread is lost anyway, just people arguing about nonsense.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Aside from Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Slafkofsky, the next bang for your buck Forward Contract is Anderson. If you want to pay a lot but still get a good player you can also go Monahan. And it ends there. You don't want to touch with a Ten-Foot pole any other Forward Contract. We have many bottom 6 players with monster contracts.

He is a 43% xGF% player who has numerous warts to his game. Explain to me how he is bang for your buck. That would mean he is worth his contract which is clearly not true.

 

[Lockin17]

I'll Keep Josh , love that player , fun to whatch.

 

[Oneiro]

Doesn't seem like Fitz's MO. It flies in the face of everything he's talked about re: cap and term commitments.

Under Fitz, Devils have really only traded for depth veterans on 1-3 year deals or young RFAs getting squeezed. Anderson doesn't really fit the profile of an NJ target, trade-wise.

There's also no reason for Hughes to retain. Just feels like media hype, similar to the BS drummed up about Garland, Miller and Boeser over the summer.

 

[Kennerback]

He is a 43% xGF% player who has numerous warts to his game. Explain to me how he is bang for your buck. That would mean he is worth his contract which is clearly not true.

He’s more bang for your bucks than many others on the Habs is all I’m saying. If you want better bang for your bucks you need to look elsewhere in the NHL, because he’s the only guy worth looking at on the Habs.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

LOL. Of course you don't remember. You were lying.

Sean Monahan thread. You kept talking about how he sucked even for the Habs, got called out multiple times, including by me who said it was getting pretty obvious that you didn't watch the Canadiens play, especially as it wouldn't make sense because they often play the same time/day as the Devils.

You replied 'Ever heard of recording games?' and said that you watched Habs games.

That was obviously a lie considering your opinions and current amnesia.

Not a lie at all, hence the reason I asked, "huh". I record lots of games, not just Habs games.

Sorry you're upset that Monahan isn't good.