Suter is blackmailing someone. No stats or no eyeball will back Suters play. He has something on PDB and Nill. Blackmail is the only logical reason he is still playing.
Confirmed with Link: Nils Lundkvist to DAL for 2023 Protected 1st
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They got business in my hockey, and I hate it.
Or maybe the hockey professionals can see how he is single handedly carrying our defensive unit?
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
Might want to remove the word professional from them if they think he is carrying the defensive unit.
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PDB doesn't have a young player problem, he just specifically hates Lundkvist.
The coach specifically hating the one guy we spent the most to acquire in ages just seems like peak Dallas Stars
The coach specifically hating the one guy we spent the most to acquire in ages just seems like peak Dallas Stars
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
It‘s not hate. It’s disappointment. DeBoer really wants Lundkvist to take these opportunities and lock down a job the same way other young guys have. Sadly, what he gets is a guy who won’t take the job offered to him.
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And my response to that is Lundkvist has grabbed the job, PDB just hates him. So we talk in circles.
He's a divisive player. People peer through the looking glass and see different things. The Wars will continue until either the player or coach is gone.
He's a divisive player. People peer through the looking glass and see different things. The Wars will continue until either the player or coach is gone.
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
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Yes.
The anti-Nils people can never actually point to anything specific. It's always "Well, he must have done something the coach didn't like". And that something must be more egregious than all of the other countless errors made by this painfully mediocre defense while providing no upside.
I'm perfectly happy to continue to shout from the rooftops that Lundkvist is good and should be playing every day and playing much more in the games. I'm on team Jimmy Nill here, General Manager of the Year
How's that for appeal to authority 
The anti-Nils people can never actually point to anything specific. It's always "Well, he must have done something the coach didn't like". And that something must be more egregious than all of the other countless errors made by this painfully mediocre defense while providing no upside.
I'm perfectly happy to continue to shout from the rooftops that Lundkvist is good and should be playing every day and playing much more in the games. I'm on team Jimmy Nill here, General Manager of the Year
How's that for appeal to authority
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
You've had many people point to a lot of specific stuff: contributes nothing to special teams, not good defensively, bad along the walls, inconsistent passing decisions, not good at getting shots on net, etc.Yes.
The anti-Nils people can never actually point to anything specific. It's always "Well, he must have done something the coach didn't like". And that something must be more egregious than all of the other countless errors made by this painfully mediocre defense while providing no upside.
I'm perfectly happy to continue to shout from the rooftops that Lundkvist is good and should be playing every day and playing much more in the games. I'm on team Jimmy Nill here, General Manager of the Year
I'd rather see a guy win a job because he's playing well and earning it. Complaining about other guys you think are worse isn't much of an argument for why a guy is good.
M88K
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Everyone is an alterantive, hell playing down a man is a better alterantive to Suter playing
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
LT
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Because it is painfully obvious when watching games that Suter is the worst player on the team.
Also, people need to be able to vent their Suter frustrations. Can’t keep that inside, got to be able to shout it into the HF void.
Troy McClure
Should’ve drafted Makar
Venting is fine. Pointing to him in hopes you see changes to other lineup decisions is where you cross into self-harm. He’s not worth the cardiovascular damage.
MrHeiskanen
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We are aloud to post negatively about Suter? Damn I need to read the forums rules on which players it is acceptable to post negatively towards and which ones aren't.
redbeardtx
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It's like asking Oilers fans to not complain about Jack Campbell or Leafs fans not to complain about Samsonov. As long as they're costing their team games, people are gonna bitch about it. None of us can do anything about it anyway, might as well vent some frustration
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If memory serves me right, I attended Nils Lundkvist’s SHL debut (it was certainly one of his first appearances, perhaps the first in which he received ample opportunity) in a road game at Malmö. He was a skinny 17 year old kid, called up to share the ice with his uncle Jan Sandström, who was playing out his last games of a 21 year SHL career.
I’d never seen a 17 year old defenseman walk into the SHL with such maturity in his game. He was weak at the time, I think it was only in his final season really where he could begin to assert himself with any success, but he had the puckskills and a remarkable calmness to make the right play from day one. It was fun following his rise from obscurity to becoming a 1st round draft pick that spring, and only improving from then on before making the jump to the NHL.
Alas, at 24, he doesn’t seem to have made too much of an impact at the NHL level. Last game he was apparently injured, after two healthy scratches. Averaging about 14 minutes a game for a player his type, at his age, it seems he’s threading water at this point.
I’m asking you who’ve seen more of him, how’s he been doing and what are your thoughts and predictions for the rest of his career in the NHL?
My read from mostly stat-watching, and what I thought to expect from a prospect of his type, is that perhaps the Stars aren’t working out for him. I never thought he possessed any elite skills really, but he held a top-4 ceiling where given the right partner on D, he could become a serviceable, non-physical two-way defenseman who rarely makes highlight reels, for either his team or the opponents, but ends up a plus more often than not and contributes offensively, mostly by making plays. I don’t know how realistic this is today, though.
Do you think another change of scenery could bring out his potential, or is he pretty much stuck in development?
I always root for former Luleå players chasing their NHL dreams, but you start to look at the potential of seeing them return when they’re yo-yoing in and out of lineups and not catching a break. Return to Luleå, or padding their wallets as a Swiss mercenary.
I’d never seen a 17 year old defenseman walk into the SHL with such maturity in his game. He was weak at the time, I think it was only in his final season really where he could begin to assert himself with any success, but he had the puckskills and a remarkable calmness to make the right play from day one. It was fun following his rise from obscurity to becoming a 1st round draft pick that spring, and only improving from then on before making the jump to the NHL.
Alas, at 24, he doesn’t seem to have made too much of an impact at the NHL level. Last game he was apparently injured, after two healthy scratches. Averaging about 14 minutes a game for a player his type, at his age, it seems he’s threading water at this point.
I’m asking you who’ve seen more of him, how’s he been doing and what are your thoughts and predictions for the rest of his career in the NHL?
My read from mostly stat-watching, and what I thought to expect from a prospect of his type, is that perhaps the Stars aren’t working out for him. I never thought he possessed any elite skills really, but he held a top-4 ceiling where given the right partner on D, he could become a serviceable, non-physical two-way defenseman who rarely makes highlight reels, for either his team or the opponents, but ends up a plus more often than not and contributes offensively, mostly by making plays. I don’t know how realistic this is today, though.
Do you think another change of scenery could bring out his potential, or is he pretty much stuck in development?
I always root for former Luleå players chasing their NHL dreams, but you start to look at the potential of seeing them return when they’re yo-yoing in and out of lineups and not catching a break. Return to Luleå, or padding their wallets as a Swiss mercenary.
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You will get every range of opinion, from those who think he sucks and should be out of the league already to those who think he's achieved the projection you described and is being held back by coaching decisions and everywhere in between.
Elysian
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I'm in between, he's alright, never gonna set the world on fire but has a role on this team.
Cowboyluck
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I don’t think he is a bad defensive player at all. His problem is he has two or three screw ups at the worst time! I think he’s a lot better player this year than last year.
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