Value of: Nils Hoglander for a D-prospect or pick

[UrbanImpact]

Hoglander seems like the odd man out in Vancouver. More than anything, I think he is a victim of circumstance on how Tochett wants to build the team. Hoglander is of course very skilled and offensively gifted but also small and lacks the 2 way game at this point in time.

Canucks are strapped with smaller wingers already with much bigger contracts such as Kuzmenko, Garland, Beuvaullier.

They tried Hoglander on the 1st line with EP40 and Kuzmenko and it just didnt click. I believe Hoglander is too good for the AHL but needs top 6-9 role in the NHL to succeed. This is my predicition for the Canucks lineup which has Hoglander on the outside looking in. He is also waiver eligible so i think the Canucks will likely trade him rather than lose him for nothing.


Mikhayev- EP40- Kuzmenko
DiGuiseepe- Miller- Boeser
Joshua-Suter-Garland
Beuavaullier- Bleuger- Aman
Studnicka

Hughes-Juulsen
Cole- Hronek
Soucy-Myers

Demko
Desmith

Mikhayev might need a couple of more weeks before getting in the lineup. In this case Beuavaullier goes on the first line and Studnicka enters for the 4th line and Hoglander can be the extra forward.


Any interest in Hoglander? Canucks would most definitely be interested in a Right Shot D, maybe someone from the Vegas team who looks like they might be getting cut? like a Danili Miramonov or Connor Corcoran

Hoglander's skill is unquestionable, he has ridiculous hands and is a buzzsaw. 2way game and size is the question.

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[Mrfenn92]

What would it take from the hawks? We don’t have much of anything right handed dmen wise. Tons of picks though

 

[oceanchild]

What would it take from the hawks? We don’t have much of anything right handed dmen wise. Tons of picks though

Take Garland with him and he is yours

 

[Mrfenn92]

Take Garland with him and he is yours

Could get behind that

 

[God]

What would it take from the hawks? We don’t have much of anything right handed dmen wise. Tons of picks though

that Bedard kid has one ENG goal all preseason? We will take him.

 

[Mrfenn92]

that Bedard kid has one ENG goal all preseason? We will take him.

No he’s our bust

 

[Vitto79]

Gonna get waived eh

 

[Love]

If he can’t beat out any of those trash wingers then he sucks and isn’t worth anything

 

[LemonSauceD]

What would it take from the hawks? We don’t have much of anything right handed dmen wise. Tons of picks though

Garland + Hoglander for one of Del Mastro, Greene, or Vlasic?

Preferably Del Mastro.

 

[UrbanImpact]

If he can’t beat out any of those trash wingers then he sucks and isn’t worth anything

Hoglander is getting beaten out by guys like Joseph and Digiusseppe because those guys can kill penalties and play a sandpaper game.

He isnt beating Kuzmenko or Boeser. Beuvaullier had chemistry with Petey and Kuzy as well on the 1st line.

Just a really tough spot for Hoglander.

A team who trades for him will be very very happy with him though if they can give him top 6 role and allow for growing pains.

Gonna get waived eh

I dont think so, at least not yet since Mikhayev is still recovering.

He will be in and out of the lineup and healthy scratched here and there.

Probably traded though when Mikhayev is ready unless he can somehow produce in a bottom 6 role while in the lineup over the next couple of weeks.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Garland + Hoglander for one of Del Mastro, Greene, or Vlasic?

Preferably Del Mastro.

Not sure they move Del Mastro. Can’t see Greene. Maybe Vlasic. But admittedly I’m not exactly sure.

 

[McJedi]

Garland + Hoglander for one of Del Mastro, Greene, or Vlasic?

Preferably Del Mastro.

Why would Chicago trade a big 20 year old LHD for the bad Garland contract? Tossing in a B level prospect like Hoglander doesn’t come close to making Garland contract more palatable. Negative value contracts with term demand very good sweeteners.

They surely don’t get moved for free, which is what your offer is.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Why would Chicago trade a big 20 year old LHD for the bad Garland contract? Tossing in a B level prospect like Hoglander doesn’t come close to making Garland contract more palatable.

As I normally do, I will take your opinions with a grain of salt.

 

[HabsAddict]

It looks like Barron is going to get his lunch eaten by Mailioux and Hutson so he may be available as an RHD.

We need another top 6 that can score, but not another buttercup. Projects are ok because we don't need to be anywhere fast for another season.

Question though...which would be better long term? Hogs or Laffy? Or both?

We got a log jam of defensive prospects coming so now or soon is the time to strike a deal to improve our front end.

 

[McJedi]

As I normally do, I will take your opinions with a grain of salt.

That’s a door that swings both ways.

 

[Qwijibo]

It looks like Barron is going to get his lunch eaten by Mailioux and Hutson so he may be available as an RHD.

We need another top 6 that can score, but not another buttercup. Projects are ok because we don't need to be anywhere fast for another season.

Question though...which would be better long term? Hogs or Laffy? Or both?

We got a log jam of defensive prospects coming so now or soon is the time to strike a deal to improve our front end.

Montreal already has a similar but better player to Hoglander in Ylonen. Trading away a right shot D prospect for a redundant winger who isn't an improvement doesn't make sense

 

[Djp]

I thought he was worth sliced bread?

 

[Richard88]

It looks like Barron is going to get his lunch eaten by Mailioux and Hutson so he may be available as an RHD.

We need another top 6 that can score, but not another buttercup. Projects are ok because we don't need to be anywhere fast for another season.

Question though...which would be better long term? Hogs or Laffy? Or both?

We got a log jam of defensive prospects coming so now or soon is the time to strike a deal to improve our front end.

A deal around Barron and Podkolzin perhaps

 

[HabsAddict]

A deal around Barron and Podkolzin perhaps

RHD are at a premium these days and I'm fairly certain we got a good one in Mailioux. Hutson has yet to be tested by big man with sharp elbows, but from all indications, he looks like a PP specialist and playing protected minutes as a top 6.

If Barron gets us a 50 point top 6, not exactly shooting for the moon here, I can see him as trade bait.

 

[Boondock]

That’s a door that swings both ways.

Your opinion is a door that swings both ways?

 

[UrbanImpact]

A deal around Barron and Podkolzin perhaps

Tochett and Canucks are very high on Podkolzin. They just want him to marinate in the AHL. Tochett always talks highly of Podz and sees him as a bull in a china shop power forward. I dont think he gets moved especially since he isnt waiver eligible.

If he is moved , i think the return would be higher than a prospect like Barron, nothing against Barron though.

Maybe someone like Andrew Peeke would interest the Canucks in trading Podz.

 

[Qwijibo]

Tochett and Canucks are very high on Podkolzin. They just want him to marinate in the AHL. Tochett always talks highly of Podz and sees him as a bull in a china shop power forward. I dont think he gets moved especially since he isnt waiver eligible.

If he is moved , i think the return would be higher than a prospect like Barron, nothing against Barron though.

Maybe someone like Andrew Peeke would interest the Canucks in trading Podz.

Yes. I'm sure they're very high on him after his complete no show in preseason. His runway has to be getting shorter at this point

 

[RebuildinVan]

I like Hoglander and really want him to work out here just not seeing much of a return for him at the moment. If there was a right shot D prospect to trade for him it would have been done already

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Hoglander for Helleson?

 

[biturbo19]

What would it take from the hawks? We don’t have much of anything right handed dmen wise. Tons of picks though

The problem with doing it strictly for picks is twofold.

1. Hoglander was a high 2nd round pick, somewhat recently. He's also shown flashes that he was a really solid pick there. So that's immediately going to loom over whatever deal in terms of perceptions and set a pretty firm floor in trying to get "like value" back.

2. A deal of Hoggy for picks probably turns into a multi-step process. Where the Canucks likely turn around and flip that pick(s) for a young player/prospect who is closer to making an impact anyway. Which is fine, but adds a layer of complication compared to just swapping for a comparable prospect with a different position/role.

It looks like Barron is going to get his lunch eaten by Mailioux and Hutson so he may be available as an RHD.

We need another top 6 that can score, but not another buttercup. Projects are ok because we don't need to be anywhere fast for another season.

Question though...which would be better long term? Hogs or Laffy? Or both?

We got a log jam of defensive prospects coming so now or soon is the time to strike a deal to improve our front end.

Barron is definitely the sort of guy who might draw some interest for the Canucks. From the Habs end though...i'm not sure Hoglander really makes a ton of sense. They probably don't want to add another undersized winger. Hoggy is like young Gally in that he's tenacious and unafraid, chippy even, but he is still physically small and not particularly strong. He's got good balance and elusiveness that when he's playing his best hockey, he uses to buzz around the net area, slot, high danger spots...and track down pucks as a forechecker.

I'd reckon Podkolzin would be Montreal's more likely target if they were moving Barron. I think that's entirely within the realm of what might make sense to move Podkolzin for though. Moving Hoglander feels like the more urgent priority, whereas Podz can chill in the AHL for now and see if he can get his game back to what it looked like originally before overcoaching got in his head bad and really crossed him up. But if the right deal comes along, it'd be worth exploring.