Player Discussion Nikita Zadorov

[Ozzy Osbourne]

Illogical? As if logic somehow applies to sports fandom? Do people even read the posts here?

 

[ON3M4N]

He does take a lot of penalties... but you're also right that Looch and Marchand took penalties too. Zadorov leads the league with 40 minors but Brady Tkachuk is 2nd with 39. Vatrano, Wilson, Gudas, Bennett, Mikkola, Dubois... they're all in that 29-39 range. Not to dismiss that he takes penalties, but it does seem to go with the play style.

Here's the problem though. Zadorov was one of the top minute munchers on the PK. Not only was he putting his team short handed, he was also taking away one of the team go to penalty killers. For a team that finished 24th in PK%, you can't have that.

 

[jmon1313]

His penalty issues are overblown.

He had a hard time with Monty's "system" at the start and was caught reaching a bunch at the start.

Since Sacco took over he seemed fine.

 

[Hookslide]

Illogical but I think it's true. In the same way, people dislike Lysell because he's fast and skilled. The parts that aren't strengths get overblown in both cases.

I don't think people dislike Lysell, but I do think they would like to see more progress in his game, and some frustration might be part of it. I know I was all on board with him when I seen him play after the Bruins drafted him, and was quite excited and impressed, than you start read and hear some negative talk about him, that bothered me. I do think that play last he made to set up a goal was beautiful pure hustle and took advantage of one of the tools in his bag SPEED, but now he needs to do the work to raise his game, to what we all hope it can be.

 

[CheerstoBeers]

Watched the end of season interviews and I gotta say I really like Zadorov and I'm impressed with his attitude. He definitely says the right things, he wants to he here and he's passionate about playing for the B's. I think he has a big role here as a leader and a fan favorite guy who plays a prototypical Bruin style hockey. He's hard nosed, loves to hit and has that intimidation factor that keeps opposing players in check and protects our stars. I like his game, he got better as the season went on even with our D in shambles, I believe when things become more stable next season he'll find his place and his groove and be a big part of this core.

 

[Over the volcano]

Watched the end of season interviews and I gotta say I really like Zadorov and I'm impressed with his attitude. He definitely says the right things, he wants to he here and he's passionate about playing for the B's. I think he has a big role here as a leader and a fan favorite guy who plays a prototypical Bruin style hockey. He's hard nosed, loves to hit and has that intimidation factor that keeps opposing players in check and protects our stars. I like his game, he got better as the season went on even with our D in shambles, I believe when things become more stable next season he'll find his place and his groove and be a big part of this core.

For sure. He's also one of only 2-4 guys on the club who can impose themselves on the game no matter who they're playing against (Pastrnak, Swayman and McAvoy)

 

[Olden McGroin]

 

[quietbruinfan]

Many of his early penalties came because he was a turnstile with no lateral movement. Either that, or he was totally in the wrong area and reached back.

I know he said the right thing in the exit interview, pretty much what Pasta said, but what makes him an authority on Bruin goals and traditions? He has been here less than a year. His speeches still seem very much cliched say what they want to hear kind of stuff and forced to me. Maybe I should give him a break, but forced is forced.

I had better get used to him, because he probably does have a leadership role and is most likely going nowhere.

 

[CheerstoBeers]

Many of his early penalties came because he was a turnstile with no lateral movement. Either that, or he was totally in the wrong area and reached back.

I know he said the right thing in the exit interview, pretty much what Pasta said, but what makes him an authority on Bruin goals and traditions? He has been here less than a year. His speeches still seem very much cliched say what they want to hear kind of stuff and forced to me. Maybe I should give him a break, but forced is forced.

I had better get used to him, because he probably does have a leadership role and is most likely going nowhere.

See I didnt see it that way. Sure they were cliched sounding but he really seems to have bought into the city, the history and what it means to be a Bruin. He seems extremely passionate about about that B on his chest and winning a Stanley Cup which to me is reassuring for a guy here for the long haul. After all he did choose the Bruins, he wasn't traded here or forced to be here, he willingly chose us over other teams and made a strong case today that it was obviously more than just the money why he's here.. He just sounds like he's got lots of heart and he's hungry to win and be a better player and teammate. I like it

 

[ON3M4N]

His penalty issues are overblown.

He had a hard time with Monty's "system" at the start and was caught reaching a bunch at the start.

Since Sacco took over he seemed fine.

He only played 20 games under Monty

 

[Hookslide]

He only played 20 games under Monty

And that was when he was having more of his problems.

 

[ON3M4N]

And that was when he was having more of his problems.

Look at the splits, it wasn't a significant difference. Certainly not enough to come to a conclusion that it was Monty's system (which to my understanding Sacco ran the same thing)

 

[Sheppy]

See I didnt see it that way. Sure they were clinched sounding but he really seems to have bought into the city, the history and what it means to be a Bruin. He seems extremely passionate about about that B on his chest and winning a Stanley Cup which to me is reassuring for a guy here for the long haul. After all he did choose the Bruins, he wasn't traded here or forced to be here, he willingly chose us over other teams and made a strong case today that it was obviously more than just the money why he's here.. He just sounds like he's got lots of heart and he's hungry to win and be a better player and teammate. I like it

I always look at how he played those games against the Panthers this year. He wasn’t even on the team when they pulled their shit on Marchand (or the rivalry in general) and he immediately inserted himself into that rivalry by trying to kill everyone on that team.

Basically said “if you guys pull that shit again, you’re dealing with me all night”

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Here's the problem though. Zadorov was one of the top minute munchers on the PK. Not only was he putting his team short handed, he was also taking away one of the team go to penalty killers. For a team that finished 24th in PK%, you can't have that.

He knew the team needed work on the PK, gave them lots of chances to work on it in real game situations.

Getting the team ready for the playoffs.

 

[BMC]

His penalty issues are overblown.

He had a hard time with Monty's "system" at the start and was caught reaching a bunch at the start.

Since Sacco took over he seemed fine.

Yes and I think he improved on this even more once Mac went down. I think he recognized that he couldn't be spending so much time in the box, he was now #1D & the Bs needed him on the ice.

 

[sarge88]

Many of his early penalties came because he was a turnstile with no lateral movement. Either that, or he was totally in the wrong area and reached back.

I know he said the right thing in the exit interview, pretty much what Pasta said, but what makes him an authority on Bruin goals and traditions? He has been here less than a year. His speeches still seem very much cliched say what they want to hear kind of stuff and forced to me. Maybe I should give him a break, but forced is forced.

I had better get used to him, because he probably does have a leadership role and is most likely going nowhere.

In fairness, English is his second language. And despite probably speaking it for several years, he likely doesn’t have the grasp of the language to delve into nuanced or alternate ways to say all of the things he wants to say.

I’m not saying this as a knock at all, as I’m honestly impressed by anyone who can pick up a language that isn’t their own, even at a basic level.

I just think it’s easier for him to say something like: “we need to play the style of hockey the Bruins are known for”, than to articulate exactly what that means in detail.

 

[WeAreBruins]

Zadorov is a leader.

 

[HumBucker]

Here's the problem though. Zadorov was one of the top minute munchers on the PK. Not only was he putting his team short handed, he was also taking away one of the team go to penalty killers. For a team that finished 24th in PK%, you can't have that.

So was Marchand. I don't see why the same "but he's plays with an edge" narrative can't be extended to Zaddy as well.

 

[ON3M4N]

So was Marchand. I don't see why the same "but he's plays with an edge" narrative can't be extended to Zaddy as well.

Huh? Marchand was 5th in PK TOI among B's forwards. He also took nearly half as many penalties as Zadorov did. Zadorov had 50 penalties to Marchands 27. Your comparing apples and socket wrenches.

 

[HumBucker]

Huh? Marchand was 5th in PK TOI among B's forwards. He also took nearly half as many penalties as Zadorov did. Zadorov had 50 penalties to Marchands 27. Your comparing apples and socket wrenches.

I'm talking about Marchand's entire tenure with the Bruins. He was always relied on for the PK. In fact, he has 36 shorthanded goals, the most in the team's history. Kinda difficult to achieve that if you're not getting a lot of PK time.

 

[ON3M4N]

I'm talking about Marchand's entire tenure with the Bruins. He was always relied on for the PK. In fact, he has 36 shorthanded goals, the most in the team's history. Kinda difficult to achieve that if you're not getting a lot of PK time.

How many times did Marchand leads the NHL in PIM? Zadorov had 145 PIM this season. In Marchand's worst year he had 97 PIM. In Marchamds most penalized season he still had ~35% less PIM than Zadorov. Again it's not even comparable.

 

[PlayMakers]

How many times did Marchand leads the NHL in PIM? Zadorov had 145 PIM this season. In Marchand's worst year he had 97 PIM. In Marchamds most penalized season he still had ~35% less PIM than Zadorov. Again it's not even comparable.

That's because Marchand doesn't fight a lot. 65 of Zadorov's 145 PIM's are fighting related majors or miconducts.

Zadorov took 40 minors this season. Marchand has had had multiple comparable seasons where he took 39 or 37 minors. Marchand has had 8 seasons with 30-39 minor penalties.

 

[Over the volcano]

Not Zadorovs fault no one else could manage to kill penalties this year.

 

[ON3M4N]

That's because Marchand doesn't fight a lot. 65 of Zadorov's 145 PIM's are fighting related majors or miconducts.

Zadorov took 40 minors this season. Marchand has had had multiple comparable seasons where he took 39 or 37 minors. Marchand has had 8 seasons with 30-39 minor penalties.

Why are we only looking at minors? Can a player not get a major and not put their team short handed?

 

[ON3M4N]

Not Zadorovs fault no one else could manage to kill penalties this year.

I mean it was one of the key reasons he was brought in....you know to be a DFD that would eat minutes on the PK.