Value of: Niemi and Lehtonen

LEAFANFORLIFE23 · Jul 31, 2016

Liferleafer said:
Lupul will likely end up LTIR....and Enroth can be signed much cheaper. Hell, i would rather buy out Lupul and sign Enroth.

I don't think Enroth is getting singed that's the thing. That Rumor is almost a week old and if it's Lupul for Niemi we would clear a little bit of space.

Liferleafer · Jul 31, 2016

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I don't think Enroth is getting singed that's the thing. That Rumor is almost a week old and if it's Lupul for Niemi we would clear a little bit of space.

But why does Dallas do that?

SEALBound · Jul 31, 2016

Either, likley Neimi, in a deal for MAF. Niemi + Nuke for MAF + ...pick?

WhatWhat · Jul 31, 2016

They would cost too much to get off the books I think. I assume we go into this year with both and deal woth them next year when they have 1 year left

serp · Jul 31, 2016

SEALBound said:
Either, likley Neimi, in a deal for MAF. Niemi + Nuke for MAF + ...pick?

Lehtonen would have to go back if Pittsburgh wants something with decent value for MAF . Not taking the risk with Lehtonen and MAF ( adds a year and 1.25$ Million Caphit compared to Niemi ) and add value to that.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 · Jul 31, 2016

Liferleafer said:
But why does Dallas do that?

They free up a goalie spot to acquire Bishop or MAF

Liferleafer · Jul 31, 2016

LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
They free up a goalie spot to acquire Bishop or MAF

But if they trade salary for salary (take Lupul) how do they pay Bishop or MAF?

Edit: and why do we want a 5 million dollar backup? We just gave a 4.1 million dollar one away.

SingnBluesOnBroadway · Jul 31, 2016

Human said:
Rangers add...

No they don't. Rangers aren't taking two goalies.

Daishi · Jul 31, 2016

Why would the Stars want Bishop? With his injury history he's no more of a sure thing than Lehtonen is.

Or MAF? Holy hell these suggestions are laughable. Talk about replacing a turd with a turd.

Liferleafer · Jul 31, 2016

Daishi said:
Why would the Stars want Bishop? With his injury history he's no more of a sure thing than Lehtonen is.

Or MAF? Holy hell these suggestions are laughable. Talk about replacing a turd with a turd.

Bishop is a turd? Well...i guess i learned something today....

serp · Jul 31, 2016

SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
No they don't. Rangers aren't taking two goalies.

Easier to get rid of two 2 year contracts than the contracts of Staal and especially Girardi . Those two contracts would make it basically impossible to re-sign Seguin in two years .

LEAFANFORLIFE23 · Jul 31, 2016

Liferleafer said:
But if they trade salary for salary (take Lupul) how do they pay Bishop or MAF?

Edit: and why do we want a 5 million dollar backup? We just gave a 4.1 million dollar one away.

The stars would LTIR Lupul and we would expose Niemi or Kari next year at the expansion draft and look to sign a more perms meant backup in free agency Thomas Griess would be my choice.

aufheben · Jul 31, 2016

SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
No they don't. Rangers aren't taking two goalies.

25% of the cap on goaltending. :laugh:

SingnBluesOnBroadway · Jul 31, 2016

serp said:
Easier to get rid of two 2 year contracts than the contracts of Staal and especially Girardi . Those two contracts would make it basically impossible to re-sign Seguin in two years .

Doesn't change the fact that it would give the Rangers 4 goalies.....

tjs* · Jul 31, 2016

SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Doesn't change the fact that it would give the Rangers 4 goalies.....

I can just picture Brassard and McDonagh skating around by themselves as four goalies surround the Rangers' net. :laugh:

serp · Jul 31, 2016

SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Doesn't change the fact that it would give the Rangers 4 goalies.....

And the Stars 9 defenseman with NHL contracts + Lindell who the Stars want with the big team this year and leave them without any goaltender with NHL experience . Hell the only goalies left would be 2 guys with half a AHL season under their belt.

Just a dumb idea all around.

PensBeerGeek · Jul 31, 2016

Niemi + Sharp for Fleury + Kunitz

Gsus · Jul 31, 2016

Am I just being a homer here or could it be that it really isn't their fault that Stars didn't go further? A guy like Bishop could definitely help the Stars but is the defence good enough. Stars gave up the most goals by the teams that made the playoffs and I really don't think the problem is between the pipes.

But whatever :laugh:

WhatWhat · Jul 31, 2016

Daishi said:
Why would the Stars want Bishop? With his injury history he's no more of a sure thing than Lehtonen is.

Or MAF? Holy hell these suggestions are laughable. Talk about replacing a turd with a turd.

Wow. I'm not super on board with paying a ton for a goalie because I don't think our system is pure favorable to goalies and the poor ices being throw our there are steep but good god are you off.

MAF/Bishop would be a monumental upgrade in net for us

WhatWhat · Jul 31, 2016

aka Ude said:
Am I just being a homer here or could it be that it really isn't their fault that Stars didn't go further? A guy like Bishop could definitely help the Stars but is the defence good enough. Stars gave up the most goals by the teams that made the playoffs and I really don't think the problem is between the pipes.

But whatever

While our style of play doesn't help, the goalies were still awful. They hurt us in the playoffs way way more than the D did.

Lehtonen, I think, still has his pre concussion self inside somewhere but it's hidden pretty deep and only makes a cameo every 5 games or so. He showed in game 6 against STL and absolutely save us but then game 7 he missed a wrist shot from the point that was barely screened.

When Kari and Niemi go through bad stretches is near impossible to outscore their problems

SingnBluesOnBroadway · Jul 31, 2016

tjs said:
I can just picture Brassard and McDonagh skating around by themselves as four goalies surround the Rangers' net.

Especially with Brassard on the Sens.

bluetuned · Jul 31, 2016

********UpperDeck said:
As a Stars fan, understand the TB side. However, they might lose a goalie for nothing after next year. Maybe the deal gets made mid year, but still makes some sense for both sides. I think they will do it, but there is the typical disparity of value seen.

For an extra year of Stars true Cup contention (which I think they would be among favorites with Bishop) I can see giving up a first. I can see giving up a prospect. TB needs futures rather than immediate salary.

Maybe a Nemeth and more will go back if not the first. Not sure if TB needs any more D, they are pretty strong. I know Nill won't part with Honka, but Guriyanov, Dickenson, Shore, even Nuke or Lindell seem like they would be available.

A bit of an overpay from the Stars perspective, but at the TDL, they gave a lot for a mediocre Russell, so why not give a lot for the key piece in Bishop, and a full year to boot?

Consider that Tampa's chances at a Cup are also considerably higher with Bishop than without, so unless they're getting blown away they are going to be inclined to keep him. Vasy is their plan for the future, but Bishop is the better goalie right now, and the Bolts are good enough to win a Cup right now. Sure they lose him in a year, but is gaining a 1st or a prospect worth it to them to diminish their (very real) shot at a Cup this year? Not sure it is.

tjs* · Jul 31, 2016

SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Especially with Brassard on the Sens.

Haha good point - forgot about that.

tjs* · Jul 31, 2016

bluetuned said:
Consider that Tampa's chances at a Cup are also considerably higher with Bishop than without, so unless they're getting blown away they are going to be inclined to keep him. Vasy is their plan for the future, but Bishop is the better goalie right now, and the Bolts are good enough to win a Cup right now. Sure they lose him in a year, but is gaining a 1st or a prospect worth it to them to diminish their (very real) shot at a Cup this year? Not sure it is.

Bingo! I've always maintained that the Lightning trading Bishop is unlikely. This will be their last season before losing a lot of their depth to the salary cap and Bishop gives them their best chance of winning the Cup; the only reason they would even consider moving him is if the return would make them a significantly better team for several years to come. Honka could potentially do that as a currently inexpensive, puck-moving, potential power play QB RHD - something that would fill a number of key needs going forward. A deal that opens up a substantial amount of cap space and thereby allows them to keep a key player on their roster who they would otherwise lose would also qualify. But a pick and a non-Honka prospect is the sort of thing a team like the Lightning would happily give up to get a guy like Bishop as a rental; with him already on their roster it's an easy pass for them when it comes to trading him for such a return.

KingPuckChoo · Jul 31, 2016

mymerlincat said:
Niemi + Lehtonen for Staal + Girardi

nice

Niemi - Lundqvist - Lehtonen would be an awesome 1st line, Rags would be insane to pass this up

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