Post-Game Talk: NICKY BOBBY FOR THE WIN! | 3-2 Leafs in OT

[Zybalto]

Leafs underlying number rankings so far:

Shot Differential: 58.39 (4th in the NHL)
Scoring Chance Differential: 57.96 (4th in the NHL)
High Danger Chance Differential: 59.29 (5th in the NHL)
xGF%: 59.27 (2nd in the NHL)
Goal Differential: 50% (18th in the NHL)
PDO: .968 (tied for 25th in the NHL)

Stars should have finished a few more chances and the goalies should have made a couple of more stops so far.

The Leafs have been pretty good so far and will have an amazing season if they keep up their play as their PDO will regulate.

 

[therealkoho]

Explain this then.

Ahhh I'll take NHL inconsistencies for 500 Alex!

 

[The Podium]

How is that handling himself?

He doesn’t have to fight… he made a big hit in retaliation on the guy that hit him hard earlier in the game

 

[blue stick]

He's ineligible for the Calder

I wondered about that myself regarding Robertson.

Calder eligibility states:

"To be considered, a player cannot have previously played more than 25 games in any single season, nor have played in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons, in any major pro league. In addition, Calder winners must be 26 years old or younger on September 15 of their rookie season."

Robertson played 6 games in 2020-21 and 10 games in 2021-22

 

[therealkoho]

Based on what? From where I’m sitting, we dropped 2 games to teams we had no business losing to, and the one good team we played we needed 8 power plays to ride a tie game into overtime, and even then the attempted shot totals were even. The coach has already put his foot in his mouth 5 games into the season and seems to have either lost portions of the room or is walking on egg shells for reasons unknown.

Now I get that our offensive guns havent started the season yet, but there’s definitely cause for whatever you want to call it - worry / criticism / etc despite only being 5 games in. They look like they are going to get absolutely tuned by any decent team.

How 'bout dem Bill's though, that offense is creamy.

 

[willmma]

Yes, I saw it, but that’s not the criteria for calling back a goal.

A goal wasn't called back. It was no goal from the start.
I think the push satisfies the criteria that there is enough interference there not to overturn the call on the ice.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Gotta say, I'm pretty unimpressed with ZAR considering the massive cheer squad he had all summer around this place. He looks like "more of the same" on the 4th line. Certainly hasnt looked better then Blackwell for instance.

While I think the 4th line was good in theory, after seeing 5 games we can't have ZAR and NAK playing together. They are both really poor at passing the puck and both seem to have tunnel vision. After they make a defensive play they struggle to breakout, and they can't make any plays on the cycle (NAK seems to prefer to go for the hit at all costs even taking his eyes off the puck lol), Kampf's obviously not a great offensive player but he has okay puck skills, but he doesn't have a winger to make a single passing play with on the cycle lol.

Of the two, I think ZAR has looked better than NAK, I'd at least give ZAR-Kampf-Malgin a shot as the fourth line.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Obviously my post was related to record. We started the season 2-4-1 last year and looked lousy. It’s objectively true that we are off to a better start this season. Last year we also lost 2 of our first 5 to teams we had no business losing to. It’s no new phenomenon to see the Leafs play down to their competition.

The Keefe thing is massively overblown

As for your specific points, I don’t entirely disagree. I’m in no way saying there aren’t issues. I’m saying, like last year, they’ll likely figure them out

Who cares about our record? They had a decent game against Washington, and otherwise should be 1-4. I haven't seen any indication that they'll 'figure it out' this year any moreso than was present last year.

 

[ACC1224]

He doesn’t have to fight… he made a big hit in retaliation on the guy that hit him hard earlier in the game

That wasn't Benn.

 

[The Podium]

That wasn't Benn.

Hathaway, that was 2 games ago

Edit: I think he hit Fehervary, but still a response to the physicality against him

 

[Uncus13]

for all those who continuously promote the need for the leafs to eliminate Simmonds, Clifford, and Curtis Douglas ... you don't have a clue.
Funny how Tampa, NYR, Bost, St.L, Cal, and Col. all have heavyweights on their teams.
If you think for one moment that the difference between the Leafs winning the Stanley cup or not is having engval on Malgin on the team ... lol you are a joke.
Watch as the oops take liberties with the leaf's talent and someone tries to answer the bell and gets hurt (hello Brodie, Reilly, etc). And if they do manage to hurt a marner, AM JT or Niles (Nylander reminds me of Niles Crane on Fraser) it is going to be "why doesn't the NHL protect these guys better .. you can't count on the NHL except to f*** things up..
Last night the stars were finishing their checks with lots of enthusiasm but there wasn't a response from the leafs ... but that is good isn't it lol? Helps build character and injury time to help Dubas correct his mistakes.
There isn't a damn thing that anyone from Simmonds, Clifford, and Douglas (this guy is scary ... Chara and boogieman scary) couldn't do that would need a magpie or an engval.
Even better ... ask the team if they would love to have those players playing instead of the puffs.
Bet my last dollar anyone short of magpies mom would vote for the insertion of the 3 amigos together or separately for many games.

JMHO.

When did everyone start promoting the feminist perspective that bob McGowan always promoted ... you know, eliminate all the fighting and the hitting (read some of the studies trying to promote a game of less physical contact)to make the game faster and more inclusionary (can't believe I found a place to use that stupid stupid word lol). Got to make a place for the women to play in the league lol.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas/Keefe have never been able to figure out the 3rd and 4th lines

Corey Perry.

 

[Gary Nylund]

How 'bout dem Bill's though, that offense is creamy.

f***in A mate! I've been rooting for the Bills all my life and this season (and last), that team absolutely rocks. Good times ahead!

Who cares about our record? They had a decent game against Washington, and otherwise should be 1-4. I haven't seen any indication that they'll 'figure it out' this year any moreso than was present last year.

So according to you, they should have lost last night. Go on, I'm listening.

 

[kb]

I wondered about that myself regarding Robertson.

Calder eligibility states:

"To be considered, a player cannot have previously played more than 25 games in any single season, nor have played in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons, in any major pro league. In addition, Calder winners must be 26 years old or younger on September 15 of their rookie season."

Robertson played 6 games in 2020-21 and 10 games in 2021-22

Exactly, it's the 6 games he played in 2 different seasons that makes him ineligible.

 

[therealkoho]

I like the Nicky Bobby nickname, hope it sticks very clever!

It is for sure, but so much typing...

 

[ACC1224]

Hathaway, that was 2 games ago

Edit: I think he hit Fehervary, but still a response to the physicality against him

All good, think we have a different definition of 'handling himself".
At least he's gotten past the sissy grin stage.

 

[notbias]

for all those who continuously promote the need for the leafs to eliminate Simmonds, Clifford, and Curtis Douglas ... you don't have a clue.
Funny how Tampa, NYR, Bost, St.L, Cal, and Col. all have heavyweights on their teams.
If you think for one moment that the difference between the Leafs winning the Stanley cup or not is having engval on Malgin on the team ... lol you are a joke.
Watch as the oops take liberties with the leaf's talent and someone tries to answer the bell and gets hurt (hello Brodie, Reilly, etc). And if they do manage to hurt a marner, AM JT or Niles (Nylander reminds me of Niles crane on Fraser) it is going to be "why doesn't the NHL protect these guys better ... stupid f***s you can't count on the NHL except to f*** things up..
Last night the stars were finishing their checks with lots of enthusiasm but there wasn't a response from the leafs ... but that is good isn't it lol? Helps build character and injury time to help Dubas correct his mistakes.
There isn't a damn thing that anyone from Simmonds, Clifford, and Douglas (this guy is scary ... Chara and boogieman scary) couldn't do that would need a magpie or an engval.
Even better ... ask the team if they would love to have those players playing instead of the puffs.
Bet my last dollar anyone short of magpies mom would vote for the insertion of the 3 amigos together or separately for many games.

Who is Tampa's heavyweight? Who is Colorado's? I know you aren't talking about Manson and Maroon.

We beat up on Tampa last year until the refs called it like a regular season game.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Who cares about our record? They had a decent game against Washington, and otherwise should be 1-4. I haven't seen any indication that they'll 'figure it out' this year any moreso than was present last year.

We should have been closer to 5-0 than 1-4 based on how we have played. Dallas was the first game where you could say we were genuinely outplayed for long stretches. We were better than the other 4 and the difference was we couldn't score (and read this mostly as the top line and PP because they are the biggest culprits right now). If our top line plays to expectations, we are 5-0 easily right now.

 

[Mess]

I wondered about that myself regarding Robertson.

Calder eligibility states:

"To be considered, a player cannot have previously played more than 25 games in any single season, nor have played in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons, in any major pro league. In addition, Calder winners must be 26 years old or younger on September 15 of their rookie season."

Robertson played 6 games in 2020-21 and 10 games in 2021-22

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Matty Beniers (Kraken)	+550
Kent Johnson (Blue Jackets)	+1200
Cole Perfetti (Jets)	+1200
Marco Rossi (Wild)	+1600
William Eklund (Sharks)	+1600
Jake Sanderson (Senators)	+1600
Jack Quinn (Sabres)	+1600
Logan Thompson (Golden Knights)	+2000
Juraj Slafkovsky (Canadiens)	+2000
Shane Wright (Kraken)	+2000
Thomas Bordeleau (Sharks)	+2000
Vitali Kravtsov (Rangers)	+2500
Nick Robertson (Maple Leafs)	+3000
Kirill Marchenko (Blue Jackets)	+3000
Alexander Holtz (Devils)	+3000
Lukas Reichel (Blackhawks)	+4000
Wyatt Johnson (Stars)	+4000
Simon Edvinsson (Red Wings)	+4000

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[dubplatepressure]

So according to you, they should have lost last night. Go on, I'm listening.

How else can you spin the fact that they had 8 powerplays and still managed to carry a tie game into overtime?

According to Natural Stat Trick, Dallas had more shot attempts (50-35), scoring chances (28-19), high-danger chances (10-9) and expected goals (1.84-1.39) than Toronto.

Did you watch the game?

We should have been closer to 5-0 than 1-4 based on how we have played. Dallas was the first game where you could say we were genuinely outplayed for long stretches. We were better than the other 4 and the difference was we couldn't score (and read this mostly as the top line and PP because they are the biggest culprits right now). If our top line plays to expectations, we are 5-0 easily right now.

you cannot possibly think we outplayed Montreal or Arizona. Come on man.

 

[therealkoho]

When reviewing games, you use the word dominant waaaay to often. After every game, we dominated them.

I think those posts dominate all others

We looked dominant for large portions of the game, not sure you know the meaning of the word.

Also, why are you obsessed with me? This is becoming kind of stalker-ish, you don't need to reply to everything I say, especially when you are adding nothing to the convo.

It seems to have become a dominant theme in his mind.

 

[The Podium]

How else can you spin the fact that they had 8 powerplays and still managed to carry a tie game into overtime?

According to Natural Stat Trick, Dallas had more shot attempts (50-35), scoring chances (28-19), high-danger chances (10-9) and expected goals (1.84-1.39) than Toronto.

Did you watch the game?



you cannot possibly think we outplayed Montreal or Arizona. Come on man.

They had more scoring chances, high danger chances and expected goals against both Montreal and Arizona.

Both your arguments can’t be true.

 

[Nineteen67]

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We looked dominant against a team that was undefeated.

It is progress, the season is long, enjoy the win and the good effort.

Do people expect 60 mins of dominant hockey? Must be their first season if they do.

the Leafs had 8 or 9 PP. and squeaked out an OT win.

 

[Zybalto]

They had more scoring chances, high danger chances and expected goals against both Montreal and Arizona.

Both your arguments can’t be true.

Montreal:

Shots: 32-23 Leafs
Scoring Chances: 40-30 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 13-11 Leafs


Arizona:
Shots: 28-19 Leafs
Scoring Chances: 37-17 Leafs
High Danger Chances: 15-10 Leafs

 

[Gary Nylund]

How else can you spin the fact that they had 8 powerplays and still managed to carry a tie game into overtime?

According to Natural Stat Trick, Dallas had more shot attempts (50-35), scoring chances (28-19), high-danger chances (10-9) and expected goals (1.84-1.39) than Toronto.

Did you watch the game?



you cannot possibly think we outplayed Montreal or Arizona. Come on man.

I don't understand, does the fact that they had 8 powerplays somehow support your argument that they should have lost? Please explain.

I rarely look at "expected" fancy stats, I mostly just watch the game so yes I did watch, and I thought we played well. And IMHO, the Dallas goalie had near zero chance of stopping any of the goals that we scored, a beauty snipe by Kerfoot and 2 beauty snipes by Robbie so no offence, but this "expected goals" of 1.39 for Toronto is ridiculous. I have no idea how this number is calculated but based on the 1.39 number from last night, this stat is completely useless because based on the goals we scored, our expected goals should be close to 3, even if we completely ignore the rest of the game in it's entirety.
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