Player Discussion Nick Suzuki Part 11

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Dach as RW.

SLAF - MONAHAN - Newhook/Anderson

behind them.

Rather have Dach as a Center to be honest. As for Monahan , ... We know

 

[Scriptor]

Rather have Dach as a Center to be honest. As for Monahan , ... We know

Again, I would also rather have Dach as a C, when there are enough NHL-ready top-6 wingers to help develop all of Caufield, Suzuki and Dach.

Slafkovsky, IMO, needs Monahan as a mentor, not Dach, and he isn't ready yet to assume first line duties either alongside Suzuki.

Somebody ends up getting the shaft if Dach doesn't start the season at RW alongside Suzuki and Caufield, IMO.

The three already have proven chemistry and Dach helps drive the play on that line.

Monahan is the ideal veteran to serve as a mentor for both Slafkovsky and Newhook.

Use Monahan for what he's worth and help rear both Slafkovsky and Newhook until the trade deadline. Maybe one of them can step up to the plate and play with Suzuki and Caufield by then without taking too much away from that line's productivity.

After the deadline:

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook (with Newhook using his speed to drive play)
Slafkovsky - Dach - Anderson
RHP - Dvorak - Heineman
Armia- Evans - Gallagher

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Anderson
RHP - Dvorak - Heineman
Armia- Evans - Gallagher

 

[Colezuki]

Again, I would also rather have Dach as a C, when there are enough NHL-ready top-6 wingers to help develop all of Caufield, Suzuki and Dach.

Slafkovsky, IMO, needs Monahan as a mentor, not Dach, and he isn't ready yet to assume first line duties either alongside Suzuki.

Somebody ends up getting the shaft if Dach doesn't start the season at RW alongside Suzuki and Caufield, IMO.

The three already have proven chemistry and Dach helps drive the play on that line.

Monahan is the ideal veteran to serve as a mentor for both Slafkovsky and Newhook.

Use Monahan for what he's worth and help rear both Slafkovsky and Newhook until the trade deadline. Maybe one of them can step up to the plate and play with Suzuki and Caufield by then without taking too much away from that line's productivity.

After the deadline:

Caufield - Suzuki - Newhook (with Newhook using his speed to drive play)
Slafkovsky - Dach - Anderson
RHP - Dvorak - Heineman
Armia- Evans - Gallagher

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Anderson
RHP - Dvorak - Heineman
Armia- Evans - Gallagher

Booooo, top 6 should look like this before the deadline

Caufield/newhook - Suzuki - monahan
Newhook/caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky

 

[DAChampion]

Booooo, top 6 should look like this before the deadline

Caufield/newhook - Suzuki - monahan
Newhook/caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky

Slafkovsky is a LW.

 

[Naslundforever]

I’m also a bit confused as to whether Caufield is a Left or Right wing at this point... You want a lefty with these guys eventually I figure, but I only remember Caufield on his off-wing in the hab zone. I’d think Newhook could bring good speed for them and take D-zone weak-side face-offs for Suzuki sometimes.

 

[BLONG7]

I’m also a bit confused as to whether Caufield is a Left or Right wing at this point... You want a lefty with these guys eventually I figure, but I only remember Caufield on his off-wing in the hab zone. I’d think Newhook could bring good speed for them and take D-zone weak-side face-offs for Suzuki sometimes.

I think CC should be on his strong side during the 5 on 5 play..............and on his off wing on the half wall, on the PP.

If we can show more skill on our PP Suzuki is going to rack up points....
MSL will fix our PP guys.........I am sure of it....

 

[MasterD]

I think CC should be on his strong side during the 5 on 5 play..............and on his off wing on the half wall, on the PP.

If we can show more skill on our PP Suzuki is going to rack up points....
MSL will fix our PP guys.........I am sure of it....

Burrows coaches it. And he's been terrible at it for years.

In any case, the PP will be fixed when we have guys that can play it, especially on the blue line. Hutson, Mailloux, hopefully Reinbacher, Barron

 

[Rapala]

Burrows coaches it. And he's been terrible at it for years.

In any case, the PP will be fixed when we have guys that can play it, especially on the blue line. Hutson, Mailloux, hopefully Reinbacher, Barron

Better faster playmaking with guys who don't handle the puck like a grenade is a start. I really hope we stop using the telegraphed drop pass and start attacking the lines with multiple players instead of trying to gain the zone solo. Half the time we've neutered the odd man advantage ourselves because of our play selection that can't happen at the NHL level.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That's not what he had outlined in the post I was agreeing with. If that's the core of his position on this debate then sure I'm aligned with you. At this point for our team, Suzuki is more important to us.

To be clear, my doubt in Suzuki has nothing to do with any poll or any comparison with Caufield. Bringing up that poll is simply a tactic by those who don’t like what I’m saying to avoid the actual argument and derail the debate.

I simply question his ability to lead us anywhere. He can be a valuable part of a winner but if he’s our number one, we’re not going anywhere. He hasn’t demonstrated that he’s a number one yet and people are freaked that I’ve written about it. It was the same with Koivu. We take a guy better suited to number two and argue that he’s better than he is. That attitude will lead us nowhere.

He has to take the next step. I thought he’d done it last year before he went into the tank. Talent is there but he needs to find another gear.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He is easily our best player and the most underrated at the same time. He’s a number 1 center in my mind. The team and line mates he’s had have impacted his production, but he continues to increase production every year despite the tire fire around him while also being a beast all over the ice. He’s Patrice Bergeron light already imo and has even more offensive upside that Patrice.

The kid is dominate all over the ice and yes you can 100% win a cup with Nick Suzuki as your number 1 center. In fact, I think you have a better chance with Suzuki than a Matthews or any other player making more than 13 million. I’d take nNick at under 8million all day long.

He’s far from dominant. He’s a solid player who plays a complete game and we’re over relying on him to be something he isn’t. He’s our most complete player - yes. But that’s why we’ve finished near the bottom of the standings the past couple of years.

Again, maybe he breaks out. If he does - great different story.

 

[Miller Time]

He’s far from dominant. He’s a solid player who plays a complete game and we’re over relying on him to be something he isn’t. He’s our most complete player - yes. But that’s why we’ve finished near the bottom of the standings the past couple of years.

Again, maybe he breaks out. If he does - great different story.

We've finished near the bottom the past couple of years because MB was terrible at roster building & cap management & a decade of his decisions left us with a piecemeal roster that imploded with Price's wonky knee.

Has nothing to do with Suzuki or the role he plays on our team.

There are teams that finished below us with a better overall best player than Suzuki, and teams ahead of us where Suzuki would arguably be their best overall player...

Your conclusion is built on a faulty premise.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We've finished near the bottom the past couple of years because MB was terrible at roster building & cap management & a decade of his decisions left us with a piecemeal roster that imploded with Price's wonky knee.

Has nothing to do with Suzuki or the role he plays on our team.

There are teams that finished below us with a better overall best player than Suzuki, and teams ahead of us where Suzuki would arguably be their best overall player...

Your conclusion is built on a faulty premise.

I don't blame Suzuki for anything. He's carried his weight, played good two way hockey, brought others along.

But if he's your best player, you're not going anywhere.

 

[Miller Time]

I don't blame Suzuki for anything. He's carried his weight, played good two way hockey, brought others along.

But if he's your best player, you're not going anywhere.

Was our best skater at 21 and we went to the finals.

But the avoidance aside, I'm glad we can agree that the hyperbole I replied to was silly. Complete nonsense to suggest that Suzuki being our best player is "why we finished at or near the bottom of the standings".

 

[BLONG7]

Burrows coaches it. And he's been terrible at it for years.

In any case, the PP will be fixed when we have guys that can play it, especially on the blue line. Hutson, Mailloux, hopefully Reinbacher, Barron

If you remember, MSL took it away frm him last year....

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He’s far from dominant. He’s a solid player who plays a complete game and we’re over relying on him to be something he isn’t. He’s our most complete player - yes. But that’s why we’ve finished near the bottom of the standings the past couple of years.

Again, maybe he breaks out. If he does - great different story.

Your posts are laughable. Yes, Suzuki Is why we suck. Not everyone around him.

 

[Scriptor]

I don't blame Suzuki for anything. He's carried his weight, played good two way hockey, brought others along.

But if he's your best player, you're not going anywhere.

If he's our best player, the only one not going anywhere is you with this redundancy that fails to be the truth you claim it is.

 

[The Great Weal]

Your posts are laughable. Yes Suzuki Is why we suck. Not everyone around him.

Why do you bother lol. Caufield scoring 51 goals with like 0 assists (based on that stretch of when Suzuki's goalscoring dried up) is okay and can be your best forward as a contender, but Suzuki scoring 65-70 points and playing in all situations cannot be.

For the record, I don't think either of Suzuki/Caufield can be your best player on a cup contender unless you are ridiculously deep.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Why do you bother lol. Caufield scoring 51 goals with like 0 assists (based on that stretch of when Suzuki's goalscoring dried up) is okay and can be your best forward as a contender, but Suzuki scoring 65-70 points and playing in all situations cannot be.

For the record, I don't think either of Suzuki/Caufield can be your best player on a cup contender unless you are ridiculously deep.

His posts are absurd, but I enjoy the laughs. Lol

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Your posts are laughable. Yes, Suzuki Is why we suck. Not everyone around him.

Dude at least try to have an honest debate.

The deflections, strawman (as per here), personal attacks and deflections- … none of this helps you. It’s all you’ve offered in the thread

If you think he’s a number one, cool. Provide substantive reasons. And remember that it’s a comparative argument. He can be a really good player and not stack up to other number ones.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If he's our best player, the only one not going anywhere is you with this redundancy that fails to be the truth you claim it is.

Strong rebuttal.

 

[Miller Time]

Dude at least try to have an honest debate.

The deflections, strawman (as per here), personal attacks and deflections- … none of this helps you. It’s all you’ve offered in the thread

If you think he’s a number one, cool. Provide substantive reasons. And remember that it’s a comparative argument. He can be a really good player and not stack up to other number ones.

This is exactly what's been asked of you in this thread... and not forthcoming.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Was our best skater at 21 and we went to the finals.

But the avoidance aside, I'm glad we can agree that the hyperbole I replied to was silly. Complete nonsense to suggest that Suzuki being our best player is "why we finished at or near the bottom of the standings".

He was not our best player…

 

[Miller Time]

Strong rebuttal.

You ignore & shift the goalposts with each soundly rebutted point you've made.

Pot / Kettle applies

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is exactly what's been asked of you in this thread... and not forthcoming.

I’ve made substantive arguments. You don’t agree. And that’s cool. But I’ve shown you the basis for my opinion.

 

[Miller Time]

He was not our best player…

Best skater.

Again, better to read & reply to what's actually posted than to argue for the sake of arguing