Confirmed with Link: Nick Ritchie to Toronto (2x2.5M AAV)

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Ya I mean Frédérik Gauthier also looked like a man among boys in Junior. Largely because he essentially was lol. His shot is definitely there in that highlight pack, but there is way less space to walk into one at the NHL level. Nonetheless, the pedigree is there for Nick. He certainly can still make big steps in his game. I really would not be surprised by anything TBH
Gauthier was never near as skilled as Ritchie lol. He was a big body. And a ppg player at his best. Ritchie had 103 points in 48 games his final year of junior, that’s not remotely comparable.

That said he’s definitely a project. I don’t expect anything more than 30-35 points and finishing his checks.. Anything more than that and it’s a Bonus.
 
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He was making $1.5 mil his qualifying offer was $2 mil and he signed for $2.5 mil X 2 years. If he agreed to $2.5 mil without an arbitrator how much was he going to ask with one?

Coming off his best season of his NHL career I'm not buying the notion Bruins were concerned about giving him a $1 mil raise even if it was awarded by an arbitrator.

The CBA is set up that if an NHL team doesn't like the arbitration ruling, they have walk away rights making a player a UFA. Seldom do you see a team walk away from arbitration prior if they value that player and cut him loose, unless they're planning on going in a different direction without him, and they have no problem walking away from him with his replacement. An RFA even unsigned has trade value and that is the 1st option a team would attempt to move on from an RFA player.

Boston's situation seems logical they had RFA's Ritchie at $1.5 mil and the always injured Kase at $2.6 mil consuming $4.1 mil (prior to qualifying offers) so they went out and signed Nick Foligno for 2 years at $3.8 mil and that gave them cost and cap certainty for less cap space then their previous players occupied.

Instead of re-signing Foligno for $3.8 mil (despite giving up their 3 picks including their 1st) the Leafs chose to take a chance on younger players and signed Ritchie at $2.5 mil and Kase at $1.25 mil for $3.75 mil cap usage instead for similar cap space.

Not quite accurate. Teams can only walk away from arbitration awards over a certain amount. I believe a couple of years ago it was north of 4 million.
 
Gauthier was never near as skilled as Ritchie lol. He was a big body. And a ppg player at his best. Ritchie had 103 points in 48 games his final year of junior, that’s not remotely comparable.

That said he’s definitely a project. I don’t expect anything more than 30-35 points and finishing his checks.. Anything more than that and it’s a Bonus.

I mean Nick only had 62pts in 48GP in his final year of junior. Had he got 103 pts he would have been much higher rated, especially given the size and brand of hockey he played. That said, Nick was clearly touted as the better player in comparison to the Goat, no question about that. I was using the goat as a reference on how size really makes a massive difference at the Junior level. Freddy was never able to use his size effectively in the NHL, largely because the average player size was that much greater. I don't recall many times where he burned guys wide in the NHL, whereas at the junior level he was able to because in a 50/50 race he could always lean into the pressure and use his size to make a play towards the net. He was able to gain position with ease at the junior level, whereas he struggled once he got to the pro level. Which is to be expected to some degree.

Nick has always been the more offensively prolific player, but he has yet to fulfill what he was drafted to become. Each passing day that potential becomes less and less realistic. I am fairly confident when Anaheim selected Nick at 10 OA, they were expecting more that 30-35pt potential. There is still time for him to grow, and he will get a great opportunity to do so in TO. I think that has to be exciting for him. I am looking forward to seeing it personally.

I am with you though, put the expectation low and consider anything beyond that as a bonus. And by low I would say I expect him to perform at the exact same level as last year. Which would have been around 22G and 38pts.
 
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I mean Nick only had 62pts in 48GP in his final year of junior. Had he got 103 pts he would have been much higher rated, especially given the size and brand of hockey he played. That said, Nick was clearly touted as the better player in comparison to the Goat, no question about that. I was using the goat as a reference on how size really makes a massive difference at the Junior level. Freddy was never able to use his size effectively in the NHL, largely because the average player size was that much greater. I don't recall many times where he burned guys wide in the NHL, whereas at the junior level he was able to because in a 50/50 race he could always lean into the pressure and use his size to make a play towards the net. He was able to gain position with ease at the junior level, whereas he struggled once he got to the pro level. Which is to be expected to some degree.

Nick has always been the more offensively prolific player, but he has yet to fulfill what he was drafted to become. Each passing day that potential becomes less and less realistic. I am fairly confident when Anaheim selected Nick at 10 OA, they were expecting more that 30-35pt potential. There is still time for him to grow, and he will get a great opportunity to do so in TO. I think that has to be exciting for him. I am looking forward to seeing it personally.

I am with you though, put the expectation low and consider anything beyond that as a bonus. And by low I would say I expect him to perform at the exact same level as last year. Which would have been around 22G and 38pts.
Yup. I messed that way up. And read his PIMs. Don’t mind my stupidity. Agree on the rest of your post.
 
I am with you though, put the expectation low and consider anything beyond that as a bonus. And by low I would say I expect him to perform at the exact same level as last year. Which would have been around 22G and 38pts.

This is exactly my outlook. Expecting in the ballpark of 20/20, but won't be shocked at all if he lands closer to 50
 
Or maybe the pittance they paid for Hall made the trade impossible to resist on their end? They really didn't pay much for him.

And we have no idea how the Bruins felt about Ritchie really....they just didn't want to be stuck with a $3+ million abritration award for their 4th line LW'er as they could not walk away from the award.

His trade value was affected because any team acquiring him would want guarantee of cost certainty in a flat cap. That made trading him much more difficult, not because of who he is or how he played, but because of the unknown arbitration award attached to him.

Again, it's truly that simple....

At the end of the day they valued an oft injured, regressing Nick Foligno at 3.8AAV over Nick Ritchie at 2.5AAV. Hard to believe the Bruins did not at the very least explore Nick's contractual demands before deciding they were too far off. Going to arbitration is only the result when there is a gap in value from player under team control and the team itself. Nick valued himself at 2.5AAV over 2 years, which I feel is a relatively fair assumption based on the UFA deal he signed with the Leafs. Nick at the time would have fulfilled the 3rd/4th line LW position for the Bruins had he resigned. Instead they felt it was better to let him walk as they didn't want to risk a higher arbitration value for a player they had value much lower. Only to sign Foligno weeks later for 1.5x as much. So we can also assume Boston felt comfortable spending up to 3.8AAV for a bottom six winger, which Nick (Ritchie) would have projected to be for them.

Now we do know we never got the best version of Foligno when he arrived in TOR, but I don't think it was monumentally far away from what he currently is. He provides amazing work ethic and leadership, but his play has undeniably regressed. I think it is worrisome that they feel like Nick Foligno at greater than 50% AAV is better suited for their 3rd/4th line LW than a 24 year old coming off of his best statistical year as a pro.

I am not trying to be negative, I am just trying not to ignore the obvious red flags and dismiss them as nothing.

Teams just don't happily move on from 24 year old 6'3 players because they are a million dollars off in valuation. The bruins clearly felt they could upgrade at that position knowing Ritchie's asking price. Additionally they likely felt OK not meeting Nick's demands and letting him walk for nothing because they clearly felt like this would not eventually burn them. Lets hope they are dead ass wrong on that.
 
He needs to be miserable to play against. That's the main thing here

If he does that much, he'll probably score a few too.
100%

But teams don't let players walk who are miserable to play against. He is going to need to find a gear that he has been missing in years past. If he can, we may have a steal
 
I think by now, draft position means very little when it comes to expectation for Ritchie. He is also being signed at 2.5mil. So expectations can't be high, even though he is the highest AAV UFA the Leafs signed this off season.
As for Bruins choosing Foglino over Ritchie. I do think Foglino is a better player than Ritchie at this point. Pretty sure if the Leafs actually got another 1.5mil, they would have choose Foglino over Ritchie too.
 
I think by now, draft position means very little when it comes to expectation for Ritchie. He is also being signed at 2.5mil. So expectations can't be high, even though he is the highest AAV UFA the Leafs signed this off season.
As for Bruins choosing Foglino over Ritchie. I do think Foglino is a better player than Ritchie at this point. Pretty sure if the Leafs actually got another 1.5mil, they would have choose Foglino over Ritchie too.

Even if that's true, which is definitely highly debatable, won't matter much if Foligno doesn't stay healthy. The guy got injured here on the most nothing play I've ever seen in my life
 
Even if that's true, which is definitely highly debatable, won't matter much if Foligno doesn't stay healthy. The guy got injured here on the most nothing play I've ever seen in my life
I honestly think they have comparable amounts to give at this point. I'm not sure Foligno has any more wiggle room to improve what he has shown over the last year, if so only marginally. As for Ritchie, I don't think he will ever become the player he was drafted to be but his still has room for growth.

If it were me:

Foligno > Ritchie
Foligno @ 3.8AAV < Ritchie @ 2.5AAV

and realistically Ritchie has every ability to be far more effective than Foligno over the next 2 years, so it kind of further muddies why Boston didn't see it that way as well.

I think at the end of the day, they clearly think Foligno is the better player, and were quite comfortable paying him 1.5x more than what Ritchie eventually got. They would have served the exact same role in that lineup, so it really wasn't about the money for Boston. It was that they didn't want to bring Nick back.

Albeit with a replacement that doesn't make a ton of sense TBH.

I am looking forward to seeing how Nick (Ritchie) fits into our lineup. I think he might be the player I have my eye on the most at camp
 
I don't really give a shit about what Boston thinks of Ritchie.

I just hope the Leafs are right in their assessment of him. I think there's a good chance he could outperform his contract and become a fixture in the lineup.

[Hope is always the last thing to abandon us.]
 
I think by now, draft position means very little when it comes to expectation for Ritchie. He is also being signed at 2.5mil. So expectations can't be high, even though he is the highest AAV UFA the Leafs signed this off season.
As for Bruins choosing Foglino over Ritchie. I do think Foglino is a better player than Ritchie at this point. Pretty sure if the Leafs actually got another 1.5mil, they would have choose Foglino over Ritchie too.

Boston is a deep team with Brad Marchand, Taylor Hall and Jake Debrusk all ahead of Ritchie on their LW depth chart, so paying your 4th line LW $2.5 mil is not good cap management, for a player expected to get 10 minutes a night in a depth role.

Our Leafs are thin as paper on LW, where Ritchie might very well now be the best LW in the organization at present, and so $2.5 mil to play on your top line is not too much $$ to invest. In fact the actual contract amount represents Ritchie 's value as a player and likely his playing on a top line is above his talent level, but that is what Hyman use to make, so its all the Leafs can really afford to spend also as his replacement.

As you correctly pointed out Leafs couldn't really afford to keep Foligno at $3.8 mil and had to go with quantity to fill out the roster so it resulted in Ritchie @$2.5 mil and Kase @ $1.25 mil [$3.75 mil combined] instead. By releasing both Ritchie and Kase the Bruins could now afford to invest in Foligno and play him in their top 6 for less cost than those other 2 players would have come in at.
 
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Boston is a deep team with Brad Marchand, Taylor Hall and Jake Debrusk all ahead of Ritchie on their LW depth chart, so paying your 4th line LW $2.5 mil is not good cap management, for a player expected to get 10 minutes a night in a depth role.

Our Leafs are thin as paper on LW, where Ritchie might very well now be the best LW in the organization at present, and so $2.5 mil to play on your top line is not too much $$ to invest. In fact the actual contract amount represents Ritchie 's value as a player and likely his playing on a top line is above his talent level, but that is what Hyman use to make, so its all the Leafs can really afford to spend also as his replacement.

As you correctly pointed out Leafs couldn't really afford to keep Foligno at $3.8 mil and had to go with quantity to fill out the roster so it resulted in Ritchie @$2.5 mil and Kase @ $1.25 mil [$3.75 mil combined] instead. By releasing both Ritchie and Kase the Bruins could now afford to invest in Foligno and play him in their top 6 for less cost than those other 2 players would have come in at.

No doubt, the Kase and Ritchie for Foligno storyline will be a major talking point this upcoming season.
 
Boston is a deep team with Brad Marchand, Taylor Hall and Jake Debrusk all ahead of Ritchie on their LW depth chart, so paying your 4th line LW $2.5 mil is not good cap management, for a player expected to get 10 minutes a night in a depth role.

Our Leafs are thin as paper on LW, where Ritchie might very well now be the best LW in the organization at present, and so $2.5 mil to play on your top line is not too much $$ to invest. In fact the actual contract amount represents Ritchie 's value as a player and likely his playing on a top line is above his talent level, but that is what Hyman use to make, so its all the Leafs can really afford to spend also as his replacement.

As you correctly pointed out Leafs couldn't really afford to keep Foligno at $3.8 mil and had to go with quantity to fill out the roster so it resulted in Ritchie @$2.5 mil and Kase @ $1.25 mil [$3.75 mil combined] instead. By releasing both Ritchie and Kase the Bruins could now afford to invest in Foligno and play him in their top 6 for less cost than those other 2 players would have come in at.
Pretty much.
I still remember how some here mocked the signing of Hainsy instead of Hunwick. Since the Pens opted to sign Hunwick instead of Hainsy.
I think depth signings are all about teams needs within their budget.
 
No doubt, the Kase and Ritchie for Foligno storyline will be a major talking point this upcoming season.
Well Ritchie vs Foligno at minimum because Kase might not even play. I take Ritchie over Foligno every day. Marcus Foligno is the better player of the Foligno’s. Nick is old and worn out by looks of it. Ritchie is the better player. Probably not many as happy we signed Ritchie as myself on the board. I think there are a few of us loving the signing :)
 
I honestly think they have comparable amounts to give at this point. I'm not sure Foligno has any more wiggle room to improve what he has shown over the last year, if so only marginally. As for Ritchie, I don't think he will ever become the player he was drafted to be but his still has room for growth.

If it were me:

Foligno > Ritchie
Foligno @ 3.8AAV < Ritchie @ 2.5AAV

and realistically Ritchie has every ability to be far more effective than Foligno over the next 2 years, so it kind of further muddies why Boston didn't see it that way as well.

I think at the end of the day, they clearly think Foligno is the better player, and were quite comfortable paying him 1.5x more than what Ritchie eventually got. They would have served the exact same role in that lineup, so it really wasn't about the money for Boston. It was that they didn't want to bring Nick back.

Albeit with a replacement that doesn't make a ton of sense TBH.

I am looking forward to seeing how Nick (Ritchie) fits into our lineup. I think he might be the player I have my eye on the most at camp
Ritchie was a good signing for you guys. It wasn't Foligno vs Ritchie for the Bruins. Hall replaced Ritchie. Foligno, Haula, Nosek et all were needed when they lost Krecji and Kuraly because of versatility and can play C in a pinch. Ritchie was pretty effective for the 1st part of the season last year then fell off. It was him or DeBrusk, who also kind of sucked last year. Good Ritchie can make his own path to the net and has great hands for tips, bad Ritchie changes direction like a boat and looks out of breath 1/2 way through his shift. He easily could rebound and be a mainstay in your top 6 bringing a totally different element to your offense for short money.
 
Ritchie was a good signing for you guys. It wasn't Foligno vs Ritchie for the Bruins. Hall replaced Ritchie. Foligno, Haula, Nosek et all were needed when they lost Krecji and Kuraly because of versatility and can play C in a pinch. Ritchie was pretty effective for the 1st part of the season last year then fell off. It was him or DeBrusk, who also kind of sucked last year. Good Ritchie can make his own path to the net and has great hands for tips, bad Ritchie changes direction like a boat and looks out of breath 1/2 way through his shift. He easily could rebound and be a mainstay in your top 6 bringing a totally different element to your offense for short money.

I'm sure there's other interconnected pieces in the Bruins thought process, but for the straight ahead change of address and salary cap totals, Foligno for Ritchie and Kase is about as straight forward a pseudo trade as it gets.
 
Worth noting that Ritchie put up more points including 8 more goals than Folingo last season.

The older Folingo likely has the edge defensively, but not so sure I d agree he's the better player in spite of his heftier price tag
 
Worth noting that Ritchie put up more points including 8 more goals than Folingo last season.

The older Folingo likely has the edge defensively, but not so sure I d agree he's the better player in spite of his heftier price tag

Boston is paying for reputation.
 
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