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Confirmed with Link: Nick Ritchie to Toronto (2x2.5M AAV)

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Hyman and Ritchie's career-high in goals at age 25 was 15 goals. Hyman didn't breakout till 26. Ritchie will be 26 in December. Let's all breathe for a second.
 
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ULF_55 said:
I wasn't high on last year's team.

So you see I think this team might be better.

Last year's team was a mirage, and Hyman was part of the mirage.
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Interesting perspective. Seems like a strange POV to me though, if there was one player we had you could always count on to show up and play hard it was Hyman. Maybe the team was a mirage but if there's one player we had who was not a mirage, for my money it was Hyman.

Havoc said:
I think the easily replaced has more to do with the playoffs. His body has failed to hold up and he's not getting any younger. You can argue the injury this year was more of a fluke but at the same time his style of play puts him in situations to get hit all the time.

The season will be 82 games again as well no? The odds of him translating his regular season play decrease every year. To win the cup he has to last 4 rounds as well. I think we forget the playoffs isn't one round because we never get past round 1. We finally get over the hump...still 3 rounds to go.

Based on the last 3 years I would be hesitant betting on Hymans body holding up for a stanley cup grind. I'd only feel confident if he was on a team deep enough where he's a third liner on the depth chart and thus can conserve himself.....but such a team doesn't exist in a cap world.
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I agree completely. I'm just saying that I don't see how this years team is somehow better with these spare parts we've signed.

Clark4Ever said:
While that is true, Hyman has also had 2 major knee injuries in the last couple of years, and players like him generally don't age well in the NHL to begin with. I genuinely think that we got the best years out of him.

I have no doubt he'll put up points riding shotgun with the best player in the world, but he was not worth the contract he signed, at least not with our team.

Is he easily replaceable? No. But it's not nearly as difficult as some people think either. We have seen inferior players to Hyman ride shotgun with Matthews and Marner and they didn't miss a beat.

I predict that if Ritchie gets a shot on the top line, he'll easily match Hyman's offensive production, if not exceed it.
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Ritchie is nowhere near the player Hyman has been for us. There's a reason Ritchie got a two year deal for less than half the salary that Hyman's getting for 7 years.

Throw More Waffles said:
I actually disagree.

We always considered Hyman great "at that cap hit". We liked his work ethic of course, but it was more that he was amazing bang for you buck.

And the leafs have so few "bang for your buck" players who overplay their cap hit, and that made him appear better than he really was.

He's no longer at a good "bang for your buck" contract already at year 1, let alone year 8.

I'd rather actually have Ritchie at 2.5x2 than Hyman at 5.5 even on a short term contrat.
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Again, I'm just comparing this years lineup to last years and last years looks better to me. And the main reason for that is Hyman who has been amazing for us. If we could add Hyman to the team at last years cap hit it's obvious to me that our team would look better.

I think some people have forgotten how good Hyman was for us and are (as usual), overvaluing the shiny new toy. I think the post below sums it up rather well. I hope Ritchie kills it for us and I'm pulling for him as I pull for all our players but the truth is, he could have the best season of his career and still not come close to providing the value that Hyman provided for us the last few seasons.

TimeZone said:
He wasn't on the perfection line with Boston but he did play on their top PP unit and racked 5 of his 15 goals and 9 of his 25 points there.

Hyman finished top 20 in terms of PPG among LW's in 2019-2020, he was on pace for 55 points and 31 goals.

That's legitimate top line production, no matter where he ranks among Left Wings.

Nick Ritchie has hit 30 points once in his career, and he's also extremely lazy and takes moronic penalties. There's more to being a legitimate top line player than looking at statistics, I think most would agree Human's primary contributions didn't necessarily show up on the score sheet.
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Truth!
 
Gary Nylund said:
Hyman isn't that easily replaced IMO. He was almost always then first one in after a loose puck and came up with it more often than not. You could play him anywhere in the lineup and he fit in, he always played hard and produced at a much better rate than people realize (no PP time).





Last season, Hyman was clearly a top 5 forward for us, then we had Kerfoot and then a big gap until whoever you say is our 7th best forward. Now Kerfoot moves up to being our 5th best forward and I guess Ritchie takes his place in the top 6. Hyman is much better than Ritchie so our top 6 is clearly worse. Are these other spare parts really that much better that it makes up for that and then some?

I don't see that we're a better team now, that's all I'm saying. Maybe the pieces fit together better, maybe they don't. We won't know that until the playoffs next season (assuming we make it that far) but as of right now, I'm not seeing it.
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You are understanding the moves wrong, Kerfoot would slide up into a Hyman esque role. Additional depth acquired now insulates Kerfoot move up to the top 6. The additional depth also has made us into a more complete team by replacing redundant player types.

As mentioned, Hyman is a great player just not a 5.5M player to sign for our team. I think he will do well early on, however, that is an extremely risky contract in the back-half given age & playing style. Is there a massive jump between Hyman and Kerfoot compared to Hyman and Marner? I personally do not see that as the case. One of the best playmakers will play with the best scorers and life will go on.

The issue will be not having Tavares (or any of the top 4) injured going into a playoff round and having said players show-up. The Hyman leaving narrative does not close our window.
 
meefer said:
During one shift, yes, anaerobic. During the course of a game, more aerobic.
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There is def a component of aerobic to it. Helps with recovery time between shift and the like, but the majority is anaerobic.
Throwing out a number I would say like 70/30
 
Gutted Hyman left, but understand it.

In the grand scheme of things, and accepting the cap is a reality, I am happy with this deal.
 
CupcakeSprinkles said:
You are understanding the moves wrong, Kerfoot would slide up into a Hyman esque role. Additional depth acquired now insulates Kerfoot move up to the top 6. The additional depth also has made us into a more complete team by replacing redundant player types.

As mentioned, Hyman is a great player just not a 5.5M player to sign for our team. I think he will do well early on, however, that is an extremely risky contract in the back-half given age & playing style. Is there a massive jump between Hyman and Kerfoot compared to Hyman and Marner? I personally do not see that as the case. One of the best playmakers will play with the best scorers and life will go on.

The issue will be not having Tavares (or any of the top 4) injured going into a playoff round and having said players show-up. The Hyman leaving narrative does not close our window.
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I'm not following this, sorry.

Hyman leaving isn't "a narrative", it's a fact.

Who said anything about closing our window?
 
saltming said:
There is def a component of aerobic to it. Helps with recovery time between shift and the like, but the majority is anaerobic.
Throwing out a number I would say like 70/30
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Would it be safe to say that if Ritchie were to drop a few pounds of fat, gain a few of muscle, and dedicate towards a more efficient body mass that he could rely on during more of the game, you and I would be in agreement?
 
GBLeaf said:
Gutted Hyman left, but understand it.

In the grand scheme of things, and accepting the cap is a reality, I am happy with this deal.
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The deal seems fine and I think Dubas does a good job finding spare parts. The problem is that spare parts is all we can afford because he's stubbornly committed to keeping our top heavy salary cap structure intact. JMHO.
 
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darrylsittler27 said:
Soft as butter defense if Muzzin goes down again. No playoffs for you.
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I love when people say shit like this. As if other teams wouldn't struggle using a top 4 defenceman. Only the Toronto Maple Leafs would struggle if they hypothetically lost an important player to injury. No one else.

As if the Leafs haven't made the playoffs in the previous four seasons without Bogosian. Bogosian was trashed last year when we signed him but now that he's leaving he's a God.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I'm not following this, sorry.

Hyman leaving isn't "a narrative", it's a fact.

Who said anything about closing our window?
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If Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander in no order are the top forwards. You mentioned Hyman is a top 5 forward on the Team with Kerfoot being 6. The gap between Kerfoot & Hyman is closer than Hyman & any of the top 4. The Hyman leaving has created a narrative of the Team being worse off and to an extreme on the main board of "window has now closed".

Kerfoot has the ability to step into the top 6 now playing with two of the most offensively gifted players in the league.
 
meefer said:
Would it be safe to say that if Ritchie were to drop a few pounds of fat, gain a few of muscle, and dedicate towards a more efficient body mass that he could rely on during more of the game, you and I would be in agreement?
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I absolutely agree. Sorry I thought I said that in my original reply
 
CupcakeSprinkles said:
If Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander in no order are the top forwards. You mentioned Hyman is a top 5 forward on the Team with Kerfoot being 6. The gap between Kerfoot & Hyman is closer than Hyman & any of the top 4. The Hyman leaving has created a narrative of the Team being worse off and to an extreme on the main board of "window has now closed".

Kerfoot has the ability to step into the top 6 now playing with two of the most offensively gifted players in the league.
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That's debatable and also irrelevant when comparing the lineup from last season to this season.

I don't care what the yahoos on the main boards say and you shouldn't either.

ULF_55 said:
Wilson upside?

Can anyone identify another potential Wilson? He is unique.

I don't know why so many are writing into the top line?

They signed a 2.5mm a year player and they're projecting a 1st. liner?
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Must be the optimism that always seems to come with any shiny new toy?
 
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