Value of: Nick Paul to Edmonton

[The Devilish Buffoon]

A third and 5th is like a late 2nd, so we're just arguing semantics here.

Not to mention that in no world does a late 3rd move you up from a late 2nd to a late 1st, and not to mention that Goodrow had less of the all-important scoring pedigree that Mr. Cyclone is touting (while playing just as much).

Goodrow is better, but I am sure Mr. Cyclone can't tell you why.

For forwards 5v5, Nick Paul played the 4th most TOI/Game for Ottawa, was 3rd last year, and 5th the year before that. He plays some of the most minutes on your team for forwards even strength. 10th in 5v5 points/60 for forwards as well on Ottawa. He plays more 5v5 ice time this year than RNH does.

Yeah, and has 2 fewer points at 5v5.

Also, these stats you're citing are literally all wrong.

7th, 4th (with 5 guys within a minute below), 6th from 2019-2020 to now.

 

[BondraTime]

For forwards 5v5, Nick Paul played the 4th most TOI/Game for Ottawa, was 3rd last year, and 5th the year before that. He plays some of the most minutes on your team for forwards even strength. 10th in 5v5 points/60 for forwards as well on Ottawa. He plays more 5v5 ice time this year than RNH does.

Again, he doesn’t see PP time, sees the most Pk time, and plays on the 3rd line in a shut down role. He does not, I repeat, does not, see the top 6 ES ice time.

Pageau did the exact same for the Sens for years, was always in the top 6 ice time for forwards while playing on the 3rd line. This is no different, from people that actually watch him play.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

His wife levied some twitter chirps at Melnyk (and kinda Dorion) on their way out of town

Interesting. Didn't know that.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Again, he doesn’t see PP time, sees the most Pk time, and plays on the 3rd line in a shut down role. He does not, I repeat, does not, see the top 6 ES ice time.

Pageau did the exact same for the Sens for years, was always in the top 6 ice time for forwards while playing on the 3rd line. This is no different, from people that actually watch him play.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Im thinking someone will pay in the 3rd rounder range for him if he moves. A contract with him will probably end up in the 1.75-2.5 mill range

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I guess we will have to wait and see. Im thinking someone will pay in the 3rd rounder range for him if he moves. A contract with him will probably end up in the 1.75-2.5 mill range

Wanna bet?

Interesting. Didn't know that.

I kinda think it was much ado about nothing... don't think it would burn the bridge. But I definitely don't think we would bring Turris back just to have him back. For a 4th rounder and to be a warm body if we deal some of our current NHLers, though? Sure.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Wanna bet?

Sure

 

[Blacephalon]

Turris + 3rd?

Are conditions based on a player re-signing not allowed anymore? I would make it a conditional third that bumps up to a second if the Oilers could retain him.

Why would the Sens do this? They can get a 2nd without taking any money back

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Why would the Sens do this? They can get a 2nd without taking any money back

I mean it's all speculation. If the Oilers can agree to terms with him I'd trade a second. And the Turris money is negligble, c'mon. Not even worth arguing over.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I mean it's all speculation. If the Oilers can agree to terms with him I'd trade a second. And the Turris money is negligble, c'mon. Not even worth arguing over.

Eh, Sens sure as hell ain't taking on an extra $500k or so for free when they can add a similar player for 1/3rd of the cost.

I think the cost for an extended Paul will be higher than just a 2nd. Don't know if we'd even trade him if the best offer is a 3rd, even if he says he won't extend. We do need players and already have a ton of prospects and 6 picks in the top 3 rounds this year.

 

[Blacephalon]

I mean it's all speculation. If the Oilers can agree to terms with him I'd trade a second. And the Turris money is negligble, c'mon. Not even worth arguing over.

Your wrong on both accounts.

Paul will get a second just as a ufa and money does matter to the Sens.

At worst if the best they can get is a third there won’t be any money coming back

 

[Just a Fan]

Should be a bunch of teams interested, would prefer him over Motte on the Leafs

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Eh, Sens sure as hell ain't taking on an extra $500k or so for free when they can add a similar player for 1/3rd of the cost.

I think the cost for an extended Paul will be higher than just a 2nd. Don't know if we'd even trade him if the best offer is a 3rd, even if he says he won't extend. We do need players and already have a ton of prospects and 6 picks in the top 3 rounds this year.

I mean Seattle retained 1 mil on Jarnkrok for a 7th, so you're not getting much for taking Turris back. The value of an extended Paul will depend entirely on whether the Sens have any confidence they could get him to re-sign in Ottawa and the number of teams he'd even be interested in going to. Don't want to speculate too much there.

Your wrong on both accounts.

Paul will get a second just as a ufa and money does matter to the Sens.

At worst if the best they can get is a third there won’t be any money coming back

Sure. 3rd round pick for Paul is fine with me, if he's interested in returning to the Oilers.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I mean Seattle retained 1 mil on Jarnkrok for a 7th, so you're not getting much for taking Turris back. The value of an extended Paul will depend entirely on whether the Sens have any confidence they could get him to re-sign in Ottawa and the number of teams he'd even be interested in going to. Don't want to speculate too much there.

Sure. 3rd round pick for Paul is fine with me, if he's interested in returning to the Oilers.

Just because that's the price for Seattle, doesn't mean its the price for Ottawa. You will be hard-pressed to find a single Sens deal where we take on money for assets. If the Sens won't get much for taking Turris (and hell, maybe even if they would), they just won't take him. Simple as that.

Paul won't be dealt for a 3rd, extension or not.

 

[LeProspector]

A 2nd rounder for a a 26 year old UFA who has never hit above 20 points (25-20 point pace)? Really? That seems quite high. PRobably closer to a late 3rd or a 4th +6th or something

Did you see what Chariot and Jarncrok went for? A second for Paul is more than fair.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Elliotte Friedman just said in an interview that he's heard from multiple sources that Nick Paul will be a close to 3m player starting next season.

 

[playasRus]

I guess we will have to wait and see. Im thinking someone will pay in the 3rd rounder range for him if he moves. A contract with him will probably end up in the 1.75-2.5 mill range

I think we can all agree that if Paul was going to accept less than 2M, he'd already have been Fedexed a contract by Dorion.

 

[Seachd]

Just because that's the price for Seattle, doesn't mean its the price for Ottawa. You will be hard-pressed to find a single Sens deal where we take on money for assets. If the Sens won't get much for taking Turris (and hell, maybe even if they would), they just won't take him. Simple as that.

Maybe, but there's also a factor that trumps what Paul's value to Ottawa is - cap space. Taking back extremely little salary at the deadline in order to get assets for upcoming free agents is just a cost of doing business now. If Ottawa isn't willing to do that, they (strangely) impose a limit on themselves for trade partners.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Maybe, but there's also a factor that trumps what Paul's value to Ottawa is - cap space. Taking back extremely little salary at the deadline in order to get assets for upcoming free agents is just a cost of doing business now. If Ottawa isn't willing to do that, they (strangely) impose a limit on themselves for trade partners.

Ottawa 1000% imposes limits on themselves, but Nick Paul's remaining $275k caphit isn't gonna cause too many issues.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I'd do the 2nd + Turris as a cheap dump. Melnyk/Dorion can send him to the minors (they might enjoy that), the cap hit prorated and than buried is nothing. If they are getting a 2nd for a player going to otherwise walk I can't see Turris being a sticking point.

 

[belair]

I'd do the 2nd + Turris as a cheap dump. Melnyk/Dorion can send him to the minors (they might enjoy that), the cap hit prorated and than buried is nothing. If they are getting a 2nd for a player going to otherwise walk I can't see Turris being a sticking point.

Turris is on LTIR with what I can only assume is long COVID. Adding him to the deal wouldn't do anything to Edmonton's cap situation.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Turris is on LTIR with what I can only assume is long COVID. Adding him to the deal wouldn't do anything to Edmonton's cap situation.

Wasn't aware he was on LTIR.

 

[dumbdick]

Based on this thread, I predict that fans of the team trading for Paul are going to be instantly pissed off about what they paid.

But once they realize what they actually paid for, they're going to be ecstatic.

 

[Boud]

Sure

Guarantee Paul makes over 2.5M on his next deal.

Guaranteed.

2.5M would be the minimum he gets

 

[GOilers88]

Guarantee Paul makes over 2.5M on his next deal.

Guaranteed.

2.5M would be the minimum he gets

Be worth every penny.

 

[Boud]

Be worth every penny.

Agreed. For Ottawa doesn't really make sense but I don't think the team acquiring him will regret.