If you're implying that Nicky plays differently depending on the level of pressure, I don't buy it. His production has varied, but I see no change in his effort or style from year to year or game to game.
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If you're implying that Nicky plays differently depending on the level of pressure, I don't buy it. His production has varied, but I see no change in his effort or style from year to year or game to game.
Those two combined make $6 million this year. Both of them have had multiple seasons above 50 points. Foligno has had one. Apples to oranges comparison.
Lucic's cap heat has been $6 mil. for the last 3 seasons and Ladd's $4.4mil./year contract was signed in 2011 when he was RFA. Foligno has outscored both of them over the las two seasons by a big margin, who gives a damn about the past? Hell, since beginning of 2014-15 season Lucic has scored as many points as Foligno has scored last season alone.
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Career stats (pts/games/pts per game):
Ladd 454/750=.605
Lucic 378/625=.624
Foligno 311/598=.520
Last two seasons:
Ladd 96/140=.686
Lucic 80/140=.571
Foligno 105/132=.795
This season:
Ladd 34/59=.576
Lucic 36/59=.610
Foligno 32/53=.604
Foligno has outproduced the other two in the past two years and will probably surpass Lucic this season by the time all is said and done.
Ladd 454/750=.605
Lucic 378/625=.624
Foligno 311/598=.520
Last two seasons:
Ladd 96/140=.686
Lucic 80/140=.571
Foligno 105/132=.795
This season:
Ladd 34/59=.576
Lucic 36/59=.610
Foligno 32/53=.604
Foligno has outproduced the other two in the past two years and will probably surpass Lucic this season by the time all is said and done.
Ughh damn Bruins retaining salary. My bad.
I mentioned it on the previous page, but I said Fligs has an outside shot to get to 50 points this year. If he can just be a 50 pt player over the course of his contract, then it's a good-value deal.
This is scurrilous. The team has been in contention, what, twice in franchise history? Then your claim applies to most Jackets.
Nick is an incredibly hard working player and I seem to remember him scoring the only playoff home game winner in franchise history.
He just hasn't had any puck luck this year before last night. The effort is still there night in and night out.
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Nick hasn't had great chemistry with his line mates this season, not consistently anyways.
Many times a night I'll see him make a choice with the puck that his linemates are not anticipating or supporting.
He's been shuffled around a bit, which doesn't help, but the Johansen situation imo is the biggest reason Nick is having trouble finding his game. I think of late he's gelling with Calvert and Karlsson and hopefully that continues.
I don't see any lack of effort, if anything I see him wanting to do more than he should. I think a simpler approach to the game will benefit him and I think we are seeing more of that on the ice.
Many times a night I'll see him make a choice with the puck that his linemates are not anticipating or supporting.
He's been shuffled around a bit, which doesn't help, but the Johansen situation imo is the biggest reason Nick is having trouble finding his game. I think of late he's gelling with Calvert and Karlsson and hopefully that continues.
I don't see any lack of effort, if anything I see him wanting to do more than he should. I think a simpler approach to the game will benefit him and I think we are seeing more of that on the ice.
That's what in my mind separated him from Joey early in the season when both were struggling bad. Nick, I saw still giving it 110%.. Joey, well we all know that story..
He was the main offensive threat on the 3rd line last night, created multiple scoring chances all by himself. His puckhandling skills are elite, his shot not so much. The Jackets have luxury to keep him on the 3rd line, the other 4 wingers already have scored 20 goals each.
I agree, he needs to simplify and be more patient. To me that means cut down on the sneaky passes. Not so many no-looks and one-touches.
But also hold the puck more. With his puck control wizardry, Nick needs to hold it and keep it until better opportunities open up. That's his A game.
Not sure what you mean by the effect of the Johansen situation. Playing with Joey didn't help anyone this year, but Nick played with everyone last year. He doesn't need Joey, he piled up points just as fast without him.
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Nick had his career year with Joey, tho, because Joey could anticipate and support a lot of that wizardry. That's the point - if we find him someone else who can follow along like that, it'd be a nice boost.
During the surge at the end of last season he played with Dubi and Anisimov all the time and didn't lose a step on that span. He actually had better numbers and scored his 1st career hat-trick playing without Johansen
I thought they played great together, but I don't even think half of Foligno's shifts came with Joey.
And the with you / without you numbers show that Joey relied on Foligno more than the other way around. If you don't like that stat, do the same exercise with goals or plus minus. Foligno tore it up with everyone.
I'm not sure if he can tear it up at that level with Calvert and Karlsson. Maybe. But generally speaking, when Foligno is playing his A game, his particular linemates aren't that important.
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Nick's issues this season were the early-season struggles and the fact that, since then, he hasn't had a home on a line - not his fault that a couple groups seem to have come together nicely.
I agree with major that it doesn't seem likely Foligno is going to pile up the points playing with Karlsson and Calvert (which is not to say they are bad players). I think it is what it is for the remainder of this season.
I agree with major that it doesn't seem likely Foligno is going to pile up the points playing with Karlsson and Calvert (which is not to say they are bad players). I think it is what it is for the remainder of this season.
Fligs has 0-2-2 in 10 games since his hat trick. Going to be a struggle to hit 40 points for the season.
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He really should be averaging 55 points/year over the life of this new contract to make it a worthwhile investment. Another overpay for "intangibles."
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Absolutely. I mean one year of the contract playing on a crap team should indicate future expectations.
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This has been a bad year for Foligno.'almost the worst case scenario type season. I think he'll be better next season
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He has never quit playing hard. Just a mess of year for him and the whole team really.
I'll wait till next year and see if he can get back to where we expect him to be. I think he can.
I'll wait till next year and see if he can get back to where we expect him to be. I think he can.
