Player Discussion Nicholas Robertson vs. Ryan Reaves

[Ianturnedbull]

A few games of slightly less bad opportunity mixed into a sea of bad opportunity is not great opportunity.

This is a triple negative. Did Robertson not get any opportunity with this organization?

 

[BraveCanadian]

This is a triple negative. Did Robertson not get any opportunity with this organization?

Not much of one so far tbh.. limited ice time with plugs isn’t how you develop small skill based forwards

 

[Gallagbi]

He's not massively better. That's hyperbole too.

When you look at Robertson's game logs:

1× over 15 min
4x over 14 min
1x over 16 min
1x over 17 min

Any player in the NHL could do a lot more with this opportunity. Reaves could for sure.

Robertson has been expensive for this organization. I'm not talking about his contract. I'm talking about the investment in this player: from drafting, the AHL, and now on the Leafs.

Reaves is a borderline unplayable 4th liner. He gets sheltered ES time and can't play in tight games. I want more from Robertson, but the game has passed Reaves by.

 

[Menzinger]

Neither really should be in the lineup come game 1 if the playoffs

Reaves is one of the oldest forwards in the league who can't keep up with the play. When he's at his best these days the team is barely getting replacement level play from the guy

Robertson hasn't clicked and may never will. He needs another team to see for sure

 

[Dekes For Days]

Did Robertson not get any opportunity with this organization?

Some but not much.

 

[meefer]

Until you see Robertson play with a competent C, which includes being defensively capable, I think it's hard to evaluate the player.

 

[Budz]

Until you see Robertson play with a competent C, which includes being defensively capable, I think it's hard to evaluate the player.

Strongly disagree.

I think it’s pretty easy.

 

[Evilhomer]

Neither really should be in the lineup come game 1 if the playoffs

Neither will be.

 

[meefer]

Strongly disagree.

I think it’s pretty easy.

Robertson's two main C options this year have been Domi and Holmberg. While Domi offers some of the distributing skills Robertson should be taking advantage of, his defensive weaknesses put two such players on the same line, leading to less than optimum results. I don't mind Domi working on Matthews wing, but as a C his play isn't sufficient to bring the line to life. Robertson's production has suffered because Tie can't provide a shooting option, and because of his weak D play, they spend far too much time in their own zone. I don't know if Robertson can stick with the team, but I think his skill set demands a more capable C (for that matter the team deserves a better 3C) than Domi. Holmberg...works hard, but hasn't the offensive skills to really help either of his wingers, but he is good at drawing penalties.

Neither will be.

Robertson may well be gone. I think it is going to be asking a lot to move Domi, his 3.75M x 3 more years contract ain't going to be an easy move. Perhaps you're suggesting that he'll be a healthy scratch? Again, difficult to envision, is Minten the replacement, an acquired 3C?

 

[Budz]

It doesn’t matter who his Centre is when he can’t stay on his skates and never wins puck battles.

Nice kid. Not heavy enough. End of story.

 

[Evilhomer]

Robertson may well be gone. I think it is going to be asking a lot to move Domi, his 3.75M x 3 more years contract ain't going to be an easy move. Perhaps you're suggesting that he'll be a healthy scratch? Again, difficult to envision, is Minten the replacement, an acquired 3C?

I was talking about Robertson and Reaves. Domi will absolutely be in the lineup in the playoffs.Treliving loves him. He isn't going anywhere.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I was talking about Robertson and Reaves. Domi will absolutely be in the lineup in the playoffs.Treliving loves him. He isn't going anywhere.

Yes, Tre loves his forwards who provide you nothing. WE have so many of them. Tre should be questioned heavily if this team fails to come out of the 1st or 2nd round this year. Even though Dubas left him with nothing.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Until you see Robertson play with a competent C, which includes being defensively capable, I think it's hard to evaluate the player.

same goes for reaves

 

[arso40]

He is massively better.

That's 7 games you've cherry picked. He's played 47. He averages 12 minutes.

Tons of NHL players would do less with the opportunity Robertson has gotten, and Reaves isn't even at NHL player quality.

We've gotten decent return on investment. Much better than Reaves, that's for sure.

I'm actually agreeing with you does that mean I'm wrong hahahahaha

 

[keonsbitterness]

same goes for reaves

Reaves is 38. The evaluation on him is complete.

 

[ULF_55]

I think people invest more into the Steve Sullivan/Martin St. Louis cautionary tale more than actually talk about the pros and cons to Robertson's game. He's great hustle and desire, good practice skills with the puck and an unusually devastating shot. But he's small, weak as hell on one on one battles, doesn't have high IQ to read a play other than to go full throttle 110%, and can't figure out how to get open to use his shot.

No one held him back so he couldn't take the McMann progression when this team has zero secondary scoring. The fact that he's stuck in 12th/13th forward with Reaves just says a lot about how his game isn't well suited to do all that much.

If the team has done any decent scouting and drafting of the past decade he should be easy to replace.

Perhaps if he had been able to stay healthy things may have been different.

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He is pacing much lower this year than last.

A new coach and worse results with more ice time.

It isn't working in Toronto let him go before you tank his value. Unless it is already too late for that?

 

[Menzinger]

Neither will be.

I think Reaves may.