Niagara Icedogs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part IV

[beastintheeast]

there may end up being lawsuits against the current owner, the team and bb based on his interactions with at least 2 former employees. he wont be back.

look at why they had to hire a equipment manager half way through the year.

So far, we have a lot of innuendo and accusations. What we are missing is facts.

Please share the facts with backup news or such.

Not all of us are gifted with your inside info.

At this stage, we know that the league was not happy with the way the team was run.
They definitely were not happy with the GM
All coaching staff was let go
Some of the star players seem to think the coaches were a scapegoat and liked BB.

Therefore, until the new GM is hired and makes a decision or BB takes a new job somewhere else, he is still in the running.

The bottom line is that this is an even bigger mess righ now then it was before the league took control.

Dave Branch was not one of my heroes, although I liked the guy BUT at least before he announced that the league was taking over, he would have announced the new GM at the same time and had everything ready.

This new guy is failing badly.

He has had a month and nothing. All they aredoing now is creating a lot of crap that does not have to be there for everyone

 

[dogs777]

So far, we have a lot of innuendo and accusations. What we are missing is facts.

Please share the facts with backup news or such.

Not all of us are gifted with your inside info.

At this stage, we know that the league was not happy with the way the team was run.
They definitely were not happy with the GM
All coaching staff was let go
Some of the star players seem to think the coaches were a scapegoat and liked BB.

Therefore, until the new GM is hired and makes a decision or BB takes a new job somewhere else, he is still in the running.

The bottom line is that this is an even bigger mess righ now then it was before the league took control.

Dave Branch was not one of my heroes, although I liked the guy BUT at least before he announced that the league was taking over, he would have announced the new GM at the same time and had everything ready.

This new guy is failing badly.

He has had a month and nothing. All they aredoing now is creating a lot of crap that does not have to be there for everyone

I’ll leave the still above the stuff I bolded to people who know more than I do but please explain how they’re worse off now then before the league took over I don’t quite understand how you think that.

To your point on branch I can’t remember cause it’s been so long when exactly the flint situation happened (time of year) but the reason why an announcement and GM was figured out so quickly is because it was someone from league office (his kid) taking over and not someone who’s currently still employed by a team that’s still playing if that rumour is true

 

[OHL4Life]

So far, we have a lot of innuendo and accusations. What we are missing is facts.

Please share the facts with backup news or such.

Not all of us are gifted with your inside info.

At this stage, we know that the league was not happy with the way the team was run.
They definitely were not happy with the GM
All coaching staff was let go
Some of the star players seem to think the coaches were a scapegoat and liked BB.

Therefore, until the new GM is hired and makes a decision or BB takes a new job somewhere else, he is still in the running.

The bottom line is that this is an even bigger mess righ now then it was before the league took control.

Dave Branch was not one of my heroes, although I liked the guy BUT at least before he announced that the league was taking over, he would have announced the new GM at the same time and had everything ready.

This new guy is failing badly.

He has had a month and nothing. All they aredoing now is creating a lot of crap that does not have to be there for everyone

you just said it, your not gifted with my info.

there is no way that the past coach will ever coach in niagara. and he may coach again in the ohl but its going to take some time. the league removed him and the team and him may be invovled in 2 different lawsuits due to the relationship that occurred in one instance and the firing in another. both parties complained to the ohl about BB and that, along with a few other things, are why he is no longer there and may unofficially be banned from the league for a year.

 

[beastintheeast]

I’ll leave the still above the stuff I bolded to people who know more than I do but please explain how they’re worse off now then before the league took over I don’t quite understand how you think that.

To your point on branch I can’t remember cause it’s been so long when exactly the flint situation happened (time of year) but the reason why an announcement and GM was figured out so quickly is because it was someone from league office (his kid) taking over and not someone who’s currently still employed by a team that’s still playing if that rumour is true

My point is the league would or should have had things in line, and so when they announced things, tere was no doubt. As it is there is a lot of mystery and unknown. The fans are left in limbo, the players that are playing on the team have no idea what is happening, and the players drafted are lost and confused. More importantly, sponsors are left with no idea what is happening

you just said it, your not gifted with my info.

there is no way that the past coach will ever coach in niagara. and he may coach again in the ohl but its going to take some time. the league removed him and the team and him may be invovled in 2 different lawsuits due to the relationship that occurred in one instance and the firing in another. both parties complained to the ohl about BB and that, along with a few other things, are why he is no longer there and may unofficially be banned from the league for a year.

Until lawsuits are actually registered, there is nothing to your case against anyone. As to BB being fired, that makes sense. If the league felt that there were issues with the Organization, then they would remove everything and leave it up to the new GM to make decisions.

Again, except for innuendo from a fan, there is nothing substantive that says the new GM could not sit down with BB and decide that, with some corrections, he would still be the best coach for the team.

So, even though you may be right, the full extent of your suggestion is still unknown. There may be an accident on the road in front of the arena. There may be someone who dies in St Catherine's.

 

[EvenSteven]

There may be an accident on the road in front of the arena. There may be someone who dies in St Catherine's.

???

 

[dogs777]

My point is the league would or should have had things in line, and so when they announced things, tere was no doubt. As it is there is a lot of mystery and unknown. The fans are left in limbo, the players that are playing on the team have no idea what is happening, and the players drafted are lost and confused. More importantly, sponsors are left with no idea what is happening

you just said it, your not gifted with my info.

Until lawsuits are actually registered, there is nothing to your case against anyone. As to BB being fired, that makes sense. If the league felt that there were issues with the Organization, then they would remove everything and leave it up to the new GM to make decisions.

Again, except for innuendo from a fan, there is nothing substantive that says the new GM could not sit down with BB and decide that, with some corrections, he would still be the best coach for the team.

So, even though you may be right, the full extent of your suggestion is still unknown. There may be an accident on the road in front of the arena. There may be someone who dies in St Catherine's.

What doubt do you still have from the teams announcement? Other than the length of punishment for DD and BB

 

[ScoutLife4]

I'm a little confused on what people don't understand about the coach being fired.
This is fact and was announced.
BB is not coming back lol.

 

[Dogs Enthusiast]

I'm a little confused on what people don't understand about the coach being fired.
This is fact and was announced.
BB is not coming back lol.

It seems really obvious.

 

[Howard]

AC’s are free to re-apply for their positions once a new GM is installed. BB is gone.

 

[knowescape]

I'm a little confused on what people don't understand about the coach being fired.
This is fact and was announced.
BB is not coming back lol.

I think the confusion stems from the fact the announcement of BB's firing was made by the team and not by the OHL. The OHL announced DD was persona non grata and you'd think given the cost of digital ink they'd have added BB's name to the list - but that's not what happened. People have no faith in what DD says.

 

[beastintheeast]

The big part is the league made a statement and then dropped it at least in the media.

I do not doubt that some things are true, but a lack of information or action can leave one with doubts and questions.

The lack of info and the fact that DD fired and removed all the coaches.


In this league, it is always known tht new GM's love to hire their own coach. Therefore, they remove all the people involved with the team they can.

Then the new GM can interview whoever he wants. We have heard nothing about BB or any of the coaches in the news or from the league, other than some players are upset that they are gone.

Therefore, until we hear more and get more factual information, people like us here are going to have different beliefs as to what the outcome is.

I have never stated that BB will be back, but based on the little we know it is possible. How much of the issues were caused by ownership and the GM INO that ran the team.

There are just too many questions and that is not good for a team that was starting to show fans that it was competitive.

 

[OHL4Life]

The big part is the league made a statement and then dropped it at least in the media.

I do not doubt that some things are true, but a lack of information or action can leave one with doubts and questions.

The lack of info and the fact that DD fired and removed all the coaches.


In this league, it is always known tht new GM's love to hire their own coach. Therefore, they remove all the people involved with the team they can.

Then the new GM can interview whoever he wants. We have heard nothing about BB or any of the coaches in the news or from the league, other than some players are upset that they are gone.

Therefore, until we hear more and get more factual information, people like us here are going to have different beliefs as to what the outcome is.

I have never stated that BB will be back, but based on the little we know it is possible. How much of the issues were caused by ownership and the GM INO that ran the team.

There are just too many questions and that is not good for a team that was starting to show fans that it was competitive.

youve said i have inside information, others have said the same thing.

im not a rich man, i have my house paid off and enough to live for whatever time i have left on this earth. im pretty comfortable.

that said, i will put every penny to my name that bb will not be the coach of the ice dogs next year based on the information, which you have said is inside, i have.

if you want to bet me that we will, ill give you 10 to 1 odds. id even go higher to be frank.

thats how confident i am that he will not be back.

its a greater percentage chance that he will be sued by former employees then him hired back.

anytime you want to make that bet, have at it.

 

[beastintheeast]

youve said i have inside information, others have said the same thing.

im not a rich man, i have my house paid off and enough to live for whatever time i have left on this earth. im pretty comfortable.

that said, i will put every penny to my name that bb will not be the coach of the ice dogs next year based on the information, which you have said is inside, i have.

if you want to bet me that we will, ill give you 10 to 1 odds. id even go higher to be frank.

thats how confident i am that he will not be back.

its a greater percentage chance that he will be sued by former employees then him hired back.

anytime you want to make that bet, have at it.

I think you missed my point.

Again I am not saying he will be back. What I am saying is that for those of us who do not have your inside knowledge at this point due to lack of info or action from the league, it is still a possibility. It might be a 1% chance but the league has not said what happened, why it happened and who it happened to.

The lack of information is what upsets me. Personally, I agree that he is likely finished. But the league is letting a lot of things hang for a reason that I do not understand.

 

[OHL4Life]

I think you missed my point.

Again I am not saying he will be back. What I am saying is that for those of us who do not have your inside knowledge at this point due to lack of info or action from the league, it is still a possibility. It might be a 1% chance but the league has not said what happened, why it happened and who it happened to.

The lack of information is what upsets me. Personally, I agree that he is likely finished. But the league is letting a lot of things hang for a reason that I do not understand.

and your missing my point, i dont care about rhetoric or what has been or has not been published,

if there is potential of a lawsuit, who in their right mind publishes wrong doing? its giving the potential plantiff more ammo.

they said it in the release, they just never said why

The Niagara IceDogs today announced a series of organizational changes following the completion of a comprehensive review led by the Ontario Hockey League (OHL).

As part of these changes, Owner and Governor Darren DeDobbelaer will step back from the day-to-day operations of both the hockey and business sides of the organization. Current General Manager Wes Consorti will transition to a new role serving as the executive liaison between Mr. DeDobbelaer and the club’s operational leadership.

Additionally, Head Coach Ben Boudreau has been relieved of his duties. The contracts of Assistant Coaches Dan Paille and Marc Slawson will not be renewed.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Beast, Is you're point that there is a 1% chance BB is returning?
If so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
When have you ever heard of a coach being fired and brought back a couple weeks later?
I know the Dogs are a complete train wreck but doing that would be even out of their league of craziness.

 

[beastintheeast]

Beast, Is you're point that there is a 1% chance BB is returning?
If so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
When have you ever heard of a coach being fired and brought back a couple weeks later?
I know the Dogs are a complete train wreck but doing that would be even out of their league of craziness.

I have seen it before, The league wants to give the new GM full control so they let everyone go and he can then interview anyone he wants

If the GM thinks the coach got crewed and is what is needed, he can bring him back on a 1 year contract with stipulations.

Again nothing has ben published as to why and the New Gm has not been named.

I agree that the OHL is probably right. My concern at this point is the lack of transparency regarding the new GM or new staff.

How much control is the GM going to have is he going to be able to hire new staff in all aspects.

 

[OHL4Life]

I have seen it before, The league wants to give the new GM full control so they let everyone go and he can then interview anyone he wants

If the GM thinks the coach got crewed and is what is needed, he can bring him back on a 1 year contract with stipulations.

Again nothing has ben published as to why and the New Gm has not been named.

I agree that the OHL is probably right. My concern at this point is the lack of transparency regarding the new GM or new staff.

How much control is the GM going to have is he going to be able to hire new staff in all aspects.

the new gm isnt hired yet, so how could there be 'transparency'

why would you want to bring bb back with all the drama that comes with it, as mentioned, he has two former employees considereing lawsuits based on their interactions.

your just digging in here for the sake of it im sure.

 

[the dog]

I have seen it before, The league wants to give the new GM full control so they let everyone go and he can then interview anyone he wants

If the GM thinks the coach got crewed and is what is needed, he can bring him back on a 1 year contract with stipulations.

Again nothing has ben published as to why and the New Gm has not been named.

I agree that the OHL is probably right. My concern at this point is the lack of transparency regarding the new GM or new staff.

How much control is the GM going to have is he going to be able to hire new staff in all aspects.

Why is wes still there??? They got rid of him as a gm

 

[On the Concourse]

There are people complaining that the league isn't forthcoming with information. People can have fun speculating and wanting to know why BB was let go. If your local 7-11 clerk is let go, are you entitled to know why?

The team has told you what is happening as far as the management of the team. Is the league obligated to tell you, the general public, what is happening in this matter?

People will speculate. People will hears whispers from the room. But nobody owes us, the general public, a detailed explanation of the inner workings of the team. The only people outside of the inner circle that need to be kept in the loop are the players and parents. They are the ones whose futures and future decisions depend on what is happening.

 

[EvenSteven]

Ummm, I’m not paying a 7-11 clerk to watch him do his job.

Just sayin

 

[frontsfan67]

Beast, Is you're point that there is a 1% chance BB is returning?
If so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
When have you ever heard of a coach being fired and brought back a couple weeks later?
I know the Dogs are a complete train wreck but doing that would be even out of their league of craziness.

not even the ice dogs are that big of a mess to do that. (1 would hope) it’s like a breakup with an ex only to get back together weeks later.

 

[OHL4Life]

im kind of in the same boat. why does anyone deserve to know why someone was fired unless it was a safety issue to people who need to know.

 

[Dogs Enthusiast]

Exactly. It is none of our business. At most we are merely customers. Ask yourself when was the last time you were a customer of a business and they told you why a manager was fired. Never is my answer and its because its really none of my concern.

 

[Howard]

Why? Because you’re dealing in a small but high profile industry where people’s reputation and ability to find employment is at stake. When releasing a press statement to the public it’s important to be factual, providing reasons to prevent the kind of speculation we see now. Careers are being impacted and individuals are being hurt unnecessarily.

 

[Dogs Enthusiast]

Its a private company and a private individual.

Unless something hits the criminal courts, its none of my business. Sure it would be nice to know.