Niagara Icedogs 2024-25 Season, Part II

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Ability to go for it next year will really be dependent on
1) goalie
2) OA’s
3) Imports

Current 05’s: Assadourian, Scott, Wycisk, Robertson, Levin
Paris also an 05 is he not? As of right now Assadorian Wycisk and Robertson are my 3 for next year (AA probably the only lock though)
 
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At what point are you going to start financially supporting the team that is playing very well and entertains you?

Serious question.

Its ok to admit that you are wrong, or partly wrong.
I'll start spending on the team again when the owner does. I paid my dues while he cut corners. I shelled out full freight while he trimmed the budget and ran the team into the ground.

Let's see a team that drafts the best players by a competent GM, with skilled scouts. An owner who isn't afraid to pay for European players, or those from the US. Someone who treats the players well so drafted players want to report.

This season isn't over yet. The trade deadline hasn't event been reached. In the meantime the games come to me online and I cheer every goal we get. So far I have nothing to admit.

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With first import pick you can nail 1 and 3 down
Only if you pay for imports.
 
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Paris also an 05 is he not? As of right now Assadorian Wycisk and Robertson are my 3 for next year (AA probably the only lock though)
Yes I forgot Paris. I agree AA is by far and away the leading candidate. Honestly Scott has been impressing me more than Wycisk lately. Bigger and more defence minded. Wycisk and Virgilio are both 5’ 11” offensive defenceman. I’d rather more size at that back next year. and I like Robertson but would feel weird having to use an OA on a goalie who has never been a starter in his OHL career.

Right now the goalie system is
08 Humphries rookie
07 Moffet GOJHL all star with Fort Erie
06 Jeffery GOJHL goalie of the month with St. Catharines

I don’t mind the idea of using the import draft (think Erliden) to get the guy if one of the above can’t do it.

As Knowescape and others have said they have cheaper out in the import department that must change next year to be serious.
 

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Kevin He and Ryan Roobroeck have only one more OHL year remaining (25-26 season). IceDogs have no choice (other than to trade both of them at the trade deadline next season) but to go all in next year (25-26).

Areas of need:
  • Draft Capital. Trade what you can this season and recoup currency for next season when you need it.
  • Two 1st pairing elite NHL drafted D. The calibre of such players as … Imports G.Eliasson, J.Fibigr; A.Jiricek; T.Hamara; E.Pieniniemi; OR T.Bertucci, K.Aitcheson, B.Akey; Q.Burns, B.Danford; HMews; M.Schaefer; N.Collins; C.Allen; M.Andonovski, K.Smith; Z.Parekh; L.Fischer; A.Gibson; S.Dickinson, O.Bonk. No team is winning a championship if they don’t have players of this calibre in their first pairing. Wysick and Brauti would be a solid compliment as the second pairing.
  • Goalie
  • F - Jett Luchanko to pair up with Kevin He next year!
Reality Check: DD will not spend money on imports, US players, OHL recruitment or on anything to improve the hockey operations side of the IceDogs. He just won’t! So, realistically none of this will happen.
 
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Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD.

Never mind that we are actually having a discussion about the possibility of being a contender this season or next. DD gets no credit for that.
 

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Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD.

Never mind that we are actually having a discussion about the possibility of being a contender this season or next. DD gets no credit for that.
Correct, DD should get zero credit. Ben Boudreau, on the other hand, is developing the young talent we got to come to Niagara. Hope he doesn't get better offers from other teams
 
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Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD.

Never mind that we are actually having a discussion about the possibility of being a contender this season or next. DD gets no credit for that.
Without those improvements I listed, the IceDogs will NOT be near good enough next year to win a championship, you MUST know that!?
Can you please answer this one question honestly. If it’s not the owner / GM fault for not making the necessary upgrades to compete against teams returning stronger rosters, than tell me whose fault is it?
 

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Correct, DD should get zero credit. Ben Boudreau, on the other hand, is developing the young talent we got to come to Niagara. Hope he doesn't get better offers from other teams
Who hired and promoted Boudreau?

If it’s not the owner / GM fault for not making the necessary upgrades to compete against teams returning stronger rosters,

"Fault".

Where you see fault I am seeing success. This is the fundamental difference in our views.
 

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Kevin He and Ryan Roobroeck have only one more OHL year remaining (25-26 season). IceDogs have no choice (other than to trade both of them at the trade deadline next season) but to go all in next year (25-26).

Areas of need:
  • Draft Capital. Trade what you can this season and recoup currency for next season when you need it.
  • Two 1st pairing elite NHL drafted D. The calibre of such players as … Imports G.Eliasson, J.Fibigr; A.Jiricek; T.Hamara; E.Pieniniemi; OR T.Bertucci, K.Aitcheson, B.Akey; Q.Burns, B.Danford; HMews; M.Schaefer; N.Collins; C.Allen; M.Andonovski, K.Smith; Z.Parekh; L.Fischer; A.Gibson; S.Dickinson, O.Bonk. No team is winning a championship if they don’t have players of this calibre in their first pairing. Wysick and Brauti would be a solid compliment as the second pairing.
  • Goalie
  • F - Jett Luchanko to pair up with Kevin He next year!
Reality Check: DD will not spend money on imports, US players, OHL recruitment or on anything to improve the hockey operations side of the IceDogs. He just won’t! So, realistically none of this will happen.
Luchanko has a very good chance of being in the NHL next year.

Alriksson traded to Brampton. I wouldn’t say no to grabbing Vaculik for Pennies as not many teams have the free import slot.
 

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It wasn’t just about cut-backs. DD had plenty of help creating that mess.
Actually, if you knew anything about the IceDogs or attended even one game at the Meridian centre this decade, you would know the mess is 100% about cut backs and 100% created by DD. You being completely oblivious to that is really not surprising based what you post on here is mostly nonsense.
 

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"Fault".

Where you see fault I am seeing success. This is the fundamental difference in our views.
No you wrote "Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD."
My question to you was "If it’s not the owner / GM fault for not making the necessary upgrades to compete against teams returning stronger rosters, who fault is it?"

The team turned over next year is not good enough to win a championship everyone who follows the OHL would acknowledge that. So if the roster isn't improved to match those other rosters who responsible for that?
 

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Who is responsible for the current EXCELLENT roster?

Its like you can't mention the elephant in the room. The team is HOT. We are tied in points for the lead of the Conference half way thru the season. We have a deeper roster than we have had in 5 or more years.
 
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Luchanko has a very good chance of being in the NHL next year.

Alriksson traded to Brampton. I wouldn’t say no to grabbing Vaculik for Pennies as not many teams have the free import slot.
I used to Luchanko as an example, but if he were available for the 25-26 season that would be the target 100%. IceDogs than need two elite NHL D and G and their roster would be a lot closer to the top OHL teams next year. All that (Imports included) cost big money and draft capital, at the moment, the IceDogs have neither.
 
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Luchanko has a very good chance of being in the NHL next year.

Alriksson traded to Brampton. I wouldn’t say no to grabbing Vaculik for Pennies as not many teams have the free import slot.
Oh look he’d be free. Either depth piece or trade someone like Levin who wouldn’t be back as an OA.
 

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Sam14

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Who is responsible for the current EXCELLENT roster?

Its like you can't mention the elephant in the room. The team is HOT. We are tied in points for the lead of the Conference half way thru the season. We have a deeper roster than we have had in 5 or more years.
My post you commented on was about next year.

You wrote "Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD."
My question to you still is, "If it’s not the owner / GM fault for not making the necessary upgrades to compete against teams returning stronger rosters, who fault is it?"
 

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Oh look he’d be free. Either depth piece or trade someone like Levin who wouldn’t be back as an OA.
DD would likely take him provided Brampton was willing to absorb any of the costs associated with this particular import. Contract details unknown.
 
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My post you commented on was about next year.

You wrote "Sam14 with the hot take that the IceDogs won't be league champions next season and its all the fault of DD."
My question to you still is, "If it’s not the owner / GM fault for not making the necessary upgrades to compete against teams returning stronger rosters, who fault is it?"
GM/Owner are responsible for a lot of the bad but they also get some credit for some of the good this off season. A lot of the adds are looking like good adds. Arrowsmith, Brauti, Loshko. Virgilio and Scott looking better even though I agree with you about Virgilio being an overpay. This off season will be the big front office test to see the import oa and goalie situation. I think DD would use the import picks better in a go for it situation. I would hope at least.
 

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Actually, if you knew anything about the IceDogs or attended even one game at the Meridian centre this decade, you would know the mess is 100% about cut backs and 100% created by DD. You being completely oblivious to that is really not surprising based what you post on here is mostly nonsense.
What “cut backs” at the arena are you referring to when talking about the mess that DD created
 

Sam14

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What “cut backs” at the arena are you referring to when talking about the mess that DD created
Actually, I was referring to all cut backs that we have seen over DD's three seasons, player educational packages trades, recruitment issues, scouting staff, draft (US players), import signings, media/scout area presentation, bus meals, etc... not just specifically to the arena (e.g., game day presentation, donation 2.00 vouchers promo 500% increase to $10.00) are all 100% on DD. Since day one, DD came in an immediately cut cost! 100's of STH who saw this simply refuse to support that. He needs to spend money to make money in this market

And it never ends...a few more front office employees are no longer with the IceDogs. DD will now assume the job of billet coordinator to add to owner/GM. wtf
 
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Sam14

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What “cut backs” at the arena are you referring to when talking about the mess that DD created
The arena comment was specifically directed at dirty12. He comes on an IceDogs site and comments about a team he doesn’t attend games (nor a fan of). He recently called out another individual to comment on teams you only have live viewings of and yet here he is. The last time he was at the MC was 2017 (one game).
 

dogs777

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Actually, I was referring to all cut backs that we have seen over DD's three seasons, player educational packages trades, recruitment issues, scouting staff, draft (US players), import signings, media/scout area presentation, bus meals, etc... not just specifically to the arena (e.g., game day presentation, donation 2.00 vouchers promo 500% increase to $10.00) are all 100% on DD. Since day one, DD came in an immediately cut cost! 100's of STH who saw this simply refuse to support that. He needs to spend money make money in this market

And it never ends...a few more front office employees are no longer with the IceDogs. DD will now assume the job of billet coordinator to add to owner/GM. wtf
I agree with you on the recruitment scouting and drafting stuff and I’m probably in the minority but I’m not really that bothered with the game day changes I found with foregrounds and all the in game stuff you missed a lot of big replay
 

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Reality Check: DD will not spend money on imports, US players, OHL recruitment or on anything to improve the hockey operations side of the IceDogs. He just won’t! So, realistically none of this will happen.
And since he is probably subsidizing each game to make up for attendance shortfalls I can see him trying to accelerate the timeline to this year. I can see him going all in this year and then selling at a loss, just to stem the bleeding.
 
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I found with foregrounds and all the in game stuff you missed a lot of big replay
That is a fair criticism, Foregrounds was a tad over-produced sometimes. As for the replays, more than once the IceDogs benefitted from not giving the Stripes a free look that put us in a bad light.
 

knowescape

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Who is responsible for the current EXCELLENT roster?

Its like you can't mention the elephant in the room. The team is HOT. We are tied in points for the lead of the Conference half way thru the season. We have a deeper roster than we have had in 5 or more years.
Very hot today... But what do you think is going to happen at the trade deadline @Dogs Enthusiast ? Do you think he's going to push his chips to the center of the table, or just call?
 

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