NHLPA discussing with players postponing games in light of Kenosha incident

[mrmovies779]

May I suggest opening up police departments to allow ordinary citizens to join, with accelerated, dedicated training programs at the police academies? I call this program Citizens On Patrol.

Now isnt the time to be making jokes

 

[mas0764]

If they're at his car and he runs off, he's not driving home without getting back to the cops. And the bold kind of gets to the root of the problem, there's plenty of social workers who get trained in holds to restrain violent people and deescalate situations who aren't allowed to kill people in the heat of the moment

Well whether it's a good idea to transition to a social worker type of enforcement is another issue, but the fact is the police currently have the responsibility to apprehend people who are DUI. I take it there might have been an option to issue a citation in this case but I would guess it is a matter of police discretion to determine whether that is the safe or correct method when they choose the make the arrest or not?

But once the lawful decision to apprehend has been made, the stealing of the taser and deployment of it on one of the officers means it's not likely to end well for somebody. Either the officers, the perpetrator, or an innocent bystander.

One of the parties had conducted themselves correctly to that point (the police) and one party had not (the perpetrator, who had violated the law, and a dangerous one at that - DUI).

In either case, going back to what really started my participation in this conversation, if you want to postpone a game over calling attention to changing the system, ok, but the blanket statement of "no more sports until murders are held accountable," when referring to instances like Blake and Brooks in which there is clearly gray area.... seems a little odd to me.

Also, as an aside.... come on, social workers and restraining holds. Two police officers tussled with Blake and were not able to restrain him. A social worker is not gonna place him in a choke hold and get him to stop in his tracks, let's be real. Maybe we need more social work in the system but not for restraining people. That's how you get social workers killed and not much else.

That dude is getting away if police are not there to stop him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

May I suggest opening up police departments to allow ordinary citizens to join, with accelerated, dedicated training programs at the police academies? I call this program Citizens On Patrol.

Wasn't that the premise of Police Academy 4?

 

[Machinehead]

You're right, nobody said that. I was speaking in hypotheticals. But I'm the last guy you'll ever meet that will "boohoo" to anyone. Especially you. I'm just tired of the racist label being handed out like candy on Halloween.

I'm not getting into the police part of this, because I see both sides of the argument. We obviously need police reform, but we also need societal reform. If you think we're better off being divided, great..but in the meantime, the only thing we're building is more hate, violence & distrust of one another.

If the "racist" thing gets handed out like candy, it might be because we have a serious problem with that.

 

[Machinehead]

Ok. thanks....
So, ALLEGEDLY
Mr Blake was heard to say he was going for his gun....if it turns out he was going for a weapon, does it change the tenor of this?

Thanks for responses. I don't have too many answers but do have questions

Perhaps it does but even then, there's ways to go about it.

I get that it's a tough job but we've seen in other countries that keeping extrajudicial killings to a minimum is possible.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If the "racist" thing gets handed out like candy, it might be because we have a serious problem with that.

Maybe....And we also have an overzealous media who isn't always reporting in the best interest of the public.

 

[Irishguy42]

First game is scheduled for 74 minutes from now, and still no announcement from the NHL/NHLPA?

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

EDIT: posted the statement below

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I think given the events of the last few days this is appropriate. This is an incredibly trying time right now.

I’m incredibly heartbroken for the country right now. There’s just absolutely no willingness to hear each other out and it’s manifesting itself in the ugliest way possible.

I’m very disturbed by the willingness to jump to violence on both sides. I’m also upset at the complete lack of leadership in this country in addressing it, and that’s bipartisan condemnation.

 

[Irishguy42]

Here's the statement from the NHL/NHLPA

 

[will1066]

Wasn't that the premise of Police Academy 4?

You don't say! Hmmm

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Alright guys, I’m done with hockey till the draft, see you draft night.

 

[Fitzy]

Alright guys, I’m done with hockey till the draft, see you draft night.

Because they are taking two more days off?

 

[will1066]

Perhaps it does but even then, there's ways to go about it.

I get that it's a tough job but we've seen in other countries that keeping extrajudicial killings to a minimum is possible.

In many other countries the number of guns, legal and illegal, is much smaller to nil.

 

[NewLife]

Perhaps it does but even then, there's ways to go about it.

I get that it's a tough job but we've seen in other countries that keeping extrajudicial killings to a minimum is possible.

It's comparable when fire arms are allowed for anyone. Doesn't matter if you are carrying or not.

A US police officer must take for granted that pretty much everyone they interact with or about to arrest do hold a fire arm of some sort. That's not the case in many places and the thought of that must make you very twitchy as an officer when a subject don't obey or makes a sudden "suspect gesture".

 

[LokiDog]

Having been a federal law enforcement officer, a SWAT member and a training specialist for 8 years these conversations are difficult for me.

There are cops making bad decisions. There are cops who think that a gun and a badge makes them the jury and a badass with impunity. There are just flat out bad cops.

There are also, whether or not fear and experience facing prejudice dictate their actions, far too many people who choose not to be compliant and patient when confronted by police in any capacity. This inevitably always escalates a situation. While we are trained, and put emphasis, on deescalation tactics, we are also a career field that worries about making it home to our own families each and every shift, and who do encounter and have to navigate situations with genuinely violent subjects on a routine basis.

It’s difficult, even for an excellent, highly intelligent, highly skilled officer to navigate these use of force situations which have zero margins for error. Unfortunately, excellent, highly intelligent, officers who are highly skilled in verbal controls and deescalation tactics and who have the poise to remain calm when situations do escalate make up a small percentage of the active duty law enforcement profession. This is not something that can be remedied easily; the percentage of the general populace that possesses the aptitude to do all of those things at a high level, consistently, is low and the number of police needed is high. While police jobs pay well, they don’t pay exceptionally well and come with a lot of risk, bad hours and many negatives that outweigh the pay and benefits, meaning that many people who possess the altitudes necessary to be an exceptional cop won’t ever consider going into that line of work. That means we have little choice but to employ a lot of individuals who don’t have the aptitude to be exceptional in these situations and then rely on training them to the best extent possible to handle them. Unfortunately, the time and monetary investment necessary to bridge the natural skill gap with to the required practical ability is impractical for most departments to achieve. If every police department had the luxury of putting their candidates through special operations level stress indoctrination and only candidates that succeeded were able to become officers, we would have a far more expensive and far smaller police force.

I don’t have any answers. The entirety of the current situation is difficult, devastating and heart wrenching. On the one hand, the majority of individuals who become cops genuinely wish to do good, to serve and protect, to have a positive impact in their communities etc. On the other hand, we clearly have a reality where the training, skills, decision making, etc. is not up to snuff and the consequences are dire. It’s why I left the career field, but it’s also something I’d love to be able to have a positive voice toward correcting. I just don’t even know where to begin.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Nothing to do with politics but a) this will do nothing and b) I can't think of anything more privileged than athletes making millions deciding not to do their jobs. There are essential workers all over this country that died from Covid because they couldn't just stop going to work.

 

[Krams]

Games suspended through tomorrow.