NHL Team Prospect Pool Strength Rankings (July 2024)

[ViD]

The Ottawa Senators had a proactive off season last year and many believed they would do well, but they finished the third worst team in the East raising a question of whether the current core is capable of making play offs.

At the same time the Senators prospect pool is one of the worst in the league:

So, is it fair to say the Senators are one of the worst ran franchises that has a bleak present and questionable future ?

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[LuckyPierre]

They were the seventh worst team in the league, not the third worst.

The prospect pool is a major concern, yes.

Yes, the current core does need to take a major step forward this year. If not, they risk having to go through yet another rebuild cycle.

I would finish by saying that they were among the worst run franchises for quite a stretch. They are slowly going to trend towards stability with an improved management group and a motivated owner.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The Ottawa Senators had a proactive off season last year and many believed they would do well, but they finished the third worst team in the East raising a question of whether the current core is capable of making play offs.

At the same time the Senators prospect pool is one of the worst in the league:

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So, is it fair to say the Senators are one of the worst ran franchises that has a bleak present and questionable future ?

Nope, new owner and new management, and no longer the worst goalie in the league.
Probably the Blue Jackets with the Babcock fiasco lol.

Kind of a funny thread coming the worst team in the east.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

I think a few teams spinning their wheels at or near the playoff bubble have it worse. Isles, Flames, maybe Blues/Wild if neither team adds significant talent in the near future. The Senators, for their myriad flaws, have multiple young players who have performed at elite levels, even if they haven't collectively been able to get the team over the handicap of shamefully bad goaltending.

 

[Chainshot]

As long as Pegula is meddling with the Sabres, I think he owns that title for now and into the future.

 

[Shane Diesel]

The Canadian Coyotes.

 

[dire wolf]

I think a few teams spinning their wheels at or near the playoff bubble have it worse. Isles, Flames, maybe Blues/Wild if neither team adds significant talent in the near future. The Senators, for their myriad flaws, have multiple young players who have performed at elite levels, even if they haven't collectively been able to get the team over the handicap of shamefully bad goaltending.

Exactly - if you want to evaluate a team's future, you have to look at prospects *plus* under-25 roster players. The Sens have very good young players on the roster already. You should also look at the cap situation going forward. Ottawa looks to be in pretty good cap shape going forward, with some reasonable long-term deals for good players and no significant boat anchor contracts or dead cap money.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The Canadian Coyotes.

lol, one team just sold for the highest number at the time, and has a new owner and management,
The coyotes were asked to hand in their keys.

 

[SpezDispenser]

The Canadian Coyotes.

? How does that make sense lol

lol, one team just sold for the highest number at the time, and has a new owner and management,
The coyotes were asked to hand in their keys.

Ahaha, jinx

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Main points for me:
1) Hard to evaluate organizational "health" when the on-ice results were hampered by all the noise over the last couple of years.
2) Likewise, the organization was operated on a shoe-string budget. Really listen to the entire NTC debacle and there were things like Dorion answering the phones.
3) This really happened:

 

[Shane Diesel]

? How does that make sense lol


Ahaha, jinx

Cheap owners that hire cheap GMs and coaches.

31st in league revenue in 2023 (only ahead of guess who).

Never competes for anything.

No one wants to play there.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Senators put all their eggs into the baskets of the young guys they had coming up early, instead of continuing to stockpile high-end talent

They tried to rush the rebuild and only Tkachuk and Stuetzle will shine from that forward group; Norris is an injury or two away from early retirement and Batherson staggered in his development (there was a time Senators fans had him over Jesper Bratt)

They can still right the ship but itll require some hard-to-make trades and cap wizardry

 

[StreetHawk]

The past couple of seasons really messed up the franchise. Beginning with taking Boucher at 10th OA in 2021. With Melnyk passing and the odd decision to push their chips in with DCat and Chrychrun in back to back years and still ending up really bad in the standings and shipping them out for what turns out to be Ullmark, a former 3rd rounder Dman prospect from Detroit, and Jensen, isn't a great return for the 7th and 12th overall draft picks in 2022 and 2023. Plus like 3 second rounders in that mix as well.

Just poorly run franchise.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Cheap owners that hire cheap GMs and coaches.

31st in revenue in 2023.

Never competes for anything.

No one wants to play there.

Wtf do you mean cheap owner? The guy that forked over a billion to buy it last off-season? He has money coming out his ying yang, he hired Staios because....wait for it....he believes he's the best candidate. And really, what the f*** do you know about that lol?

 

[Shane Diesel]

Wtf do you mean cheap owner? The guy that forked over a billion to buy it last off-season? He has money coming out his ying yang, he hired Staios because....wait for it....he believes he's the best candidate. And really, what the f*** do you know about that lol?

So Ottawa hasn't been run on a shoe string budget the last half-decade?

News to me.

 

[SpezDispenser]

So Ottawa hasn't been run on a shoe string budget the last half-decade?

News to me.

It's not the same owner. We have a new owner. How does a previous owner - who is dead btw - factor into the current iteration of this team - or the future for that matter? The previous GM had shit for brains, and we'll be cleaning that up for a while, but previous ownership is literally dead.

 

[Snowwy]

It's not the same owner. We have a new owner. How does a previous owner - who is dead btw - factor into the current iteration of this team - or the future for that matter? The previous GM had shit for brains, and we'll be cleaning that up for a while, but previous ownership is literally dead.

I've never seen someone double down on a bad take so strongly as Mr. Diesel.

 

[wintersej]

Will be a little funny when Ullmark realizes this and hits free agency at the end of the year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's not the same owner. We have a new owner. How does a previous owner - who is dead btw - factor into the current iteration of this team - or the future for that matter? The previous GM had shit for brains, and we'll be cleaning that up for a while, but previous ownership is literally dead.

Being obtuse on purpose, just hit ignore, or don’t reply.
Like that in every thread partakes in, doesn’t understand the game yet, when read post history.
Obviously new to the game, don’t be hard on the guy though, as a new fan.

If you hit reply, it will never end, so be selective.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It's not the same owner. We have a new owner. How does a previous owner - who is dead btw - factor into the current iteration of this team - or the future for that matter? The previous GM had shit for brains, and we'll be cleaning that up for a while, but previous ownership is literally dead.

That doesn't change the past and you're speculating things will be different in the future. We shall see.

The Travis Green hire doesn't portend much different than business as usual.

 

[KevinRedkey]

All this shoud come down to is realistic levels of hope, based on more factors than just propsects and last year's standings.

Examples:
Chicago and San Jose have very high hopes for their prospects.
Edmonton and Boston have very high hopesof bringin a cup home soon.

If the question is 'Should Ottawa fans have the lowest levels of hope in the NHL?' (which I believe is more relevant and in the spirit of the OP) I don't think many will answer yes. They have some good young NHLers, and many believe addressed their most glaring weaknesses recently.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Will be a little funny when Ullmark realizes this and hits free agency at the end of the year.

Also be funny up until 2028 with Korpisalo.

 

[DustyDangler]

The Canadian Coyotes.

As a Coyotes fan, I have long been grateful for the Senators as they have always made the Coyotes look good.

lol, one team just sold for the highest number at the time, and has a new owner and management,
The coyotes were asked to hand in their keys.

Umm...the Senators were sold for $950m. The Coyotes operations side were sold for $1.2b.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

They’ll be amazing this season

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Penguins under FSG/Sullivan/Dubas’s control look pretty f***ing bleak….