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My guess is GMs and agents alternate between raw $ value and % of the cap based off of whichever makes their side look better ...
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From the Rangers perspective, you are absolutely right. They are going to try to tie Shesterkin to the goalie comparables to keep his cap number low.
By the same token, Shesterkin's agent (and Shesterkin) are going to push for the highest number possible, regardless of how they get there (highest paid goalie/highest paid Ranger/whatever it takes to get him the most money). It's also worth pointing out that the highest paid goalie contract by AAV (Price) was signed in 2018. It feels like the goalie market has reset with the high numbers that have been given out recently to Swayman and Ullmark (and I would pay Shesterkin more than either of those two).
It's not absurd. It's how the process works. They will either agree on a number, or Shesterkin will find himself on a different team.
Jags
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I agree with you in principle, but I think all they're really saying is that it affects the conversation, which is literally what a contract negotiation is. So of course it matters. It clearly helps establish the local market and is a key reference for each side setting their price.
Sure, but like you pointed out, that's just one argument in the conversation. The logical counter is "Sure, Panarin got that percentage, 5 years ago when we weren't the odds-on favorite to win stuff. Now that we ARE that team, we'd like to REMAIN that caliber of team because we all want a fist full of Cup rings. We can't do that if we get too top-heavy on contracts.
"Panarin got that money at that time because it takes that kind of investment to prove to the team and the league that we want to build a winner. Your client contributes mightily to our success and we're grateful, but here's a mountain of historical stats versus contract dollars and term that proves pretty conclusively that goalies don't have the shelf life that wings do. We can't build that winner pretending that your client will defy that trend."
I think CCR is right that ultimately the cap percentage of other, wildly different positions isn't likely to land Shesterkin that kind of money. It's absolutely a factor in the negotiation that may raise what he gets a bit, but he shouldn't get that kind of money for max term unless the Rags are dumb.
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On paragraph 2, any player worth it says “that’s not my problem”
You can’t dismiss any aspect of salaries and negotiations. Any good agent will use all available data/information/comparables to get the most money for their client.
So of course Panarins 15% will be quantified.
But I also firmly agree that timing matters to the team. A shitty team can waste 15% on a winger. A really good team usually cannot.
So of course Panarins 15% will be quantified.
But I also firmly agree that timing matters to the team. A shitty team can waste 15% on a winger. A really good team usually cannot.
Jags
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Sure, which is the next argument in the conversation.
And then they counter with the reality of the situation; that the only teams that can afford to pay him that kind of cash are ones he won't want to play for. Either that or he can take the big cash for significantly less term. If the problem is insurmountable, they'll trade him for real value they can use and take on one of the many keepers eager to be in that situation.
Pro sports fans often seem to think that these types of things boil down to the team having to kiss the best player's ass. While they certainly aren't out to offend him, they're playing hardball, too. If Shesterkin's camp is in "You can't win without my client" mode, they're overplaying their hand. Huge goalie contracts have almost universally been disasters.
Yes, they'll use the "Panarin got X% of the cap" argument. Of course they will. But they won't give him that kind of money, and if they do they're morons. They have a talented team that can play well in front of any goalie. If they can't keep him, they can get a suitable replacement.
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The Pens looks like the Caps did at the beginning of last season, but I don't think they have the goaltending to drag them back to mediocrity.
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Erik Karlsson way up near the NYR goal line and last man back on that Laf goal was *chef's kiss*.
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Apparently legit - legend just continues to expand
I haven’t seen anyone bring up 13.7 million but you. I agree that the Rangers should move on at that point.
I believe what Friedman was talking about how much Panarin was making, not his % of the Cap. 11.64 million is the number Shesterkin is referencing.
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looks? been that way for about 3 years. damn stroke man
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notDkristich
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The Pens GDT is 39 pages of self hate and loathing. Glorious. Someone called Reirden a good PP coach. Sorry wutOh man just saw the Rangers/Pens score
Anthony Mantha had a Gordie Howe hat trick in his Flames debut 
1 goal (SH), 1 assist, +2, 7 PIM, 6th-most ice time for forwards in a 6-5 OTW where the Flames were down 3-0 and 4-1.
1 goal (SH), 1 assist, +2, 7 PIM, 6th-most ice time for forwards in a 6-5 OTW where the Flames were down 3-0 and 4-1.
CapitalsCupReality
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Playing for his career….good to see him rise to the challenge.Anthony Mantha had a Gordie Howe hat trick in his Flames debut
1 goal (SH), 1 assist, +2, 7 PIM, 6th-most ice time for forwards in a 6-5 OTW where the Flames were down 3-0 and 4-1.
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Anthony Mantha had a Gordie Howe hat trick in his Flames debut
1 goal (SH), 1 assist, +2, 7 PIM, 6th-most ice time for forwards in a 6-5 OTW where the Flames were down 3-0 and 4-1.
He did not do well in the scrap...so is it a 'legit' GHHT? haha
Also, a guy with a history of hand injuries decides to scrap in the 1st game. Low IQ.
CapitalsCupReality
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Low IQ, through the roof heart. You KNOW his teammates appreciated that.
Don’t need to win a fight to get credit for one.
Leafs did look very good, it was just a weird game where the goalie stole the win.
But no Woll already is a bad sign, I wonder who's playing against the Devils tonight.
They were also unusually healthy last year, and it still wasn't enough.
It's been fun to watch their decline... until they draft their next generational player.
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Honestly, it's just a reminder that it's a long season. Leafs/Oilers will be fine.
Penguins should have started rebuilding two seasons ago.
Devil Dancer
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One game, especially the first game before teams have gelled or locked down strategy, means nothing.
But a Pens meltdown is always delicious anyway.
But a Pens meltdown is always delicious anyway.
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Yeah, the Penguins look so awful. They avoided contact, didn't engage in the netfront so many times last night.
