NHL Players Reportedly Bothered By Jacob Trouba Trade Saga With Rangers

[Quinning]

Pro athletes are the most delusional people in the world. They have no idea what it's like to live in modern society

 

[SpezzaNoLookDropPass]

If I underperform to my wage like Trouba does I get fired

 

[TooManyHumans]

If I underperform to my wage like Trouba does I get fired

Maybe you should have also signed a contract that ensures you will still get paid even if they fire you.

 

[BTO]

They were on his list, as in, his no-trade list.

Ok, but the poster whom I quoted said this: “The Ducks weren't on his list. The Rangers had a deal with a team that was on his list and he blocked it”. So if the other team was on his list then the Ducks weren’t. It’s either-or, as per the post. Or the post was wrong.

 

[Machinehead]

Ok, but the poster whom I quoted said this: “The Ducks weren't on his list. The Rangers had a deal with a team that was on his list and he blocked it”. So if the other team was on his list then the Ducks weren’t. It’s either-or, as per the post. Or the post was wrong.

The post was wrong

 

[BTO]

The post was wrong

Fair enough then lol.

 

[Leafs87]

NYR aren’t setting a good look for themselves but it won’t affect them much as they’re still a top destination. They did nothing wrong here. Trouba just salty

 

[blankall]

The league would be better if max contract lenght was halved, NTC and NMC aren't the problem here. The problem is signing guys for 8 years at 28 then crying because they start to suck in their 30s.

Weird how you have zero sympathy for the people but want the teams to get a pass on their own stupid choices.

It really is a bad setup. Players are in their prime from 22-30. They typically become potential UFAs at 27. The teams have no choice but to offer them max length deals, or they just walk. It basically guarantees that most good players will end up with a contract that is horrible for the last 2-5 years.

And no I don't have any sympathy for the players who force these 8 year contracts and then have to live in......sunny Anaheim for 2 years while they earn $8 million/year to play $3 million/year hockey.

Trouba is a classic example of a player who just never lived up their hype/potential. He tried to reinvent himself as a veteran leader with intangibles, but is just a cheap shot artist and kind of a jerk. His offence has also withered in the playoffs, with 19 points in 73 playoff games.

But yes, six year max contracts would solve a lot of the problems in the NHL.

 

[Peltz]

Yeah the Rangers “did nothing wrong” by the letter of the CBA, but I do think it’s a shitty thing to do ultimately. He was very clear from the beginning about his priorities and why he was signing a contract the shape of the one he did. Not like he could have predicted Covid, lol.

If that's the case, he should have played better to stay.

 

[japhi27returns]

He DID have an option to stay in NYC. He could have worked on a contract termination, stayed at home, and become a FA next season. Regular people, with 1/100 of his net worth, make decisions to leave their careers long term or temporarily, for family, all the time.

Fact is, he is unwilling to sacrifice his career and earnings to stay in NY. Must not be that serious an issue.

 

[JoeGarelli]

its delusional to blame nyr for any of this.. "they knew his situation when they signed him" who gives a shit, its the nhl, these guys are paid to play hockey at a high level. nyr should not be concerned one f***ing bit by troubas wife.. nyr concern is putting the best team on the ice, and trouba is additional by subtraction..

 

[mphmiles]

Don't know if already posted, but Friedman said on 32 thoughts that Tampa did the same thing to Ryan McDonagh (Threatening waivers) before he was traded to Nashville and he was tremendously unhappy about it.

A: That makes it kind of funny that they kicked him out and then later realized their mistake and traded back for him.

B: Apparently McDonagh still wanted to go back. These guys understand it's a business and they'll get over it.

 

[dgibb10]

You've already been proven wrong on this by myself and @WarriorofTime, but I see you've found a new person to try to argue with on it.

"guys teams DEFINITELY wouldn't manipulate the salary cap when given a blatant easy opportunity to do so"

Was your argument.

There are very clear loopholes for teams that simply have conversations with their players, and who's players want to be there.

-Being able to stash extra veteran depth or enforcers that is for all intents and purposes exempt from waivers without eating their cap hit since it is buried
-Being able to make paper transactions to accrue cap space (teams literally already do this with waiver exempt guys)
-Being able to limit rivals from claiming any of your players in general.

Also just the fact that it would prevent bad teams from claiming players in general (defeating a key purpose of waivers)

Meanwhile, the current "loophole" isn't a loophole at all.

Jacob Trouba negotiating a contract that made him eligible for waivers. NYR was happy to lose him for nothing on said waivers. Instead they gave him a choice to allow him to get some say in his destination, and get them a return. He could have had a full NTC and the same thing would have happened. This is why you negotiate for an NMC that prevents you from being placed on waivers, or play at a level that the team isn't willing to lose you for nothing.

You want to decimate the entire waivers system to accommodate guys who failed to negotiate for the available clause that prevents them from being placed on waivers.

 

[SEALBound]

NYR aren’t setting a good look for themselves but it won’t affect them much as they’re still a top destination. They did nothing wrong here. Trouba just salty

I don't mind a team pushing the idea of "if you don't perform up to your contract, we will ship your ass out".

Personally, I'd like to NTC/NMC reduced heavily in the CBA.

 

[Sun God Nika]

If anyone messed up Trouba’s wife’s situation it’s Trouba for not plying up to his contract

 

[EpochLink]

Seems like the bumps weren’t as good in NYC as Trouba thought, now he’s about to experiences some west coast bumps

 

[WarriorofTime]

-Being able to stash extra veteran depth or enforcers that is for all intents and purposes exempt from waivers without eating their cap hit since it is buried
-Being able to make paper transactions to accrue cap space (teams literally already do this with waiver exempt guys)
-Being able to limit rivals from claiming any of your players in general.

Doesn't make sense. Player can waive their protection, i.e., team rival claims, player says "I can play in NHL for that team, so I waive" and now the original waiving team lost the player that they presumably didn't want to lose for nothing.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Why did he ever think it was good idea to tie his NMC status into his wife's employment situation? Logically, he could always waive it so there's no real reason not to pursue the full NMC other than money.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Goodrow and Trouba.

This aint looking for NYR as an organization in terms of reputation. I wouldnt go as far as to say that players wont be signing there anytime soon but I'm confident in saying they wont be getting much discount in salary in exchange for supposed perks like NTCs and NMCs

Surely that locker room is a mess as well.

 

[StreetHawk]

Goodrow and Trouba.

This aint looking for NYR as an organization in terms of reputation. I wouldnt go as far as to say that players wont be signing there anytime soon but I'm confident in saying they wont be getting much discount in salary in exchange for supposed perks like NTCs and NMCs

Surely that locker room is a mess as well.

It's still NY. Them and markets like Bos, Chi, NYI, and the no state income tax teams can get away with this more than say a Buff, Columbus, and probably the likes of STL, Wash, etc.

LV is pretty cut throat, as was TB with sending McDonaugh out to Nash. But, these are still destination locations for players.

 

[UrbanImpact]

It's still NY. Them and markets like Bos, Chi, NYI, and the no state income tax teams can get away with this more than say a Buff, Columbus, and probably the likes of STL, Wash, etc.

LV is pretty cut throat, as was TB with sending McDonaugh out to Nash. But, these are still destination locations for players.

After hearing the Trouba interview and how well respected somone like Trouba is, there will definitely be backlash that NYR will feel.


It will probably be just cap related tho and they can naviagate through it.

If players are still willing to sign with an organization like Chicago, then anything is possible.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Lots of boot-licking of ownership in this thread. You all insult the millionaire players, but just think about the wealth of the guys who can afford to pay out those salaries while still turning millions in profits each year.

 

[dgibb10]

Doesn't make sense. Player can waive their protection, i.e., team rival claims, player says "I can play in NHL for that team, so I waive" and now the original waiving team lost the player that they presumably didn't want to lose for nothing.

What part of "have conversations with a player" do you not understand.

I know it's shocking, but some players actually like the destination they are in and want to stay.

 

[seabass45]

Don't know if already posted, but Friedman said on 32 thoughts that Tampa did the same thing to Ryan McDonagh (Threatening waivers) before he was traded to Nashville and he was tremendously unhappy about it.

A: That makes it kind of funny that they kicked him out and then later realized their mistake and traded back for him.

B: Apparently McDonagh still wanted to go back. These guys understand it's a business and they'll get over it.

Tampa's situation was different. McDonagh signed before covid wrecked cap projections, they were faced with a crunch in 2022, and I forget who was eligible to be traded but the options were limited. I'd guess Tampa told him they'd try to get him back after things opened up more. So it wasn't as much as "oops we screwed up", it was "we're screwed and this is the best way to deal with this right now".

 

[WarriorofTime]

What part of "have conversations with a player" do you not understand.

I know it's shocking, but some players actually like the destination they are in and want to stay.

Ah, a "conversation".

I'm sure Trouba had "conversations" about remaining in New York through his wife's residency.

"Conversations" don't have legally binding effect. In your scenario, the player has to accept the risk that after 29 days of 'clearing' waivers, the team decides "hmm, he's in a bit of a slump and we'd like to give that prospect his spot, maybe we'll bury him in the AHL for 3 months", or the player decides "oh, sunbelt team that's competing for a Cup actually claimed me, maybe I'll go do that instead".

That's an awful lot to put trust into a conversation to try and churn over very little cap space.