6 teams would work as it is very clear who the top 6 are in terms of NHL talent. But the ice hockey world is bigger than that and Switzerland/Germany/Slovakia can definitely field competitive teams, even if heavily relying on Europe based players. 8 teams would mean you have to exclude one of the above three. Whoever is left out would have good arguments to criticize that decision (and I doubt a qualification tournament with NHL players will be organized). Same with 10 teams. Should team number 10 be Denmark or Latvia? (Or maybe even France for the NHL to grow the game in a bigger market).
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Seems likely it will be 8 teams. Germany and Switzerland. Slovakia is not a worse team but the market is a lot smaller and main focus for NHL will probably be to make money and market itself to Germans. NHL only cares about money afterall.
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I read a Russian report that the entire thing will be in Italy. I approve if that's the direction they are going. Although I don't believe anything I read on Russian crapsites. but enough of the NHL gouging Canadian hockey fans. send it Europe and then back to the N. America in '28. preferably in Gary's favorite sunbelt far away from the Canadian border. then in '32 will consider if the tournament is worthy of the Canadian hockey fan once again.
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What on earth are you talking about? Take a look at the IIHF ranknings. If World Cup goes with 6 teams they are going after the IIHF ranknings which means no Sweden, Switzerland and Slovakia. There is quality for 12 teams.
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I'd like to see the tournament held in Europe. I do not see how Italy makes any sense, sounds unlikely to me.
I don't understand why people say the would like it with 6 teams. Following this logic, soccer WC could as well include some 12 teams. For example Canada is going to qualify for the next soccer World Cup. Imagine France or Brazil fans arguing "Canada is not good enough", "we barely know 2-3 of their players", "they should send a mixed team with the US and Mexico instead."
Even a more brutal example would be women's hockey. They could make just one Olympic game (Canada vs the US), because no other team stands any chance agaist those two.
Sport is not only about champions, and Slovakia or Latvia aren't that bad, never to mention Switzerland and Germany.
Even a more brutal example would be women's hockey. They could make just one Olympic game (Canada vs the US), because no other team stands any chance agaist those two.
Sport is not only about champions, and Slovakia or Latvia aren't that bad, never to mention Switzerland and Germany.
You're talking in circles.
People complained about gimmick teams, but most of the hate was towards team north-America where the worst offense was splitting McDavid and Crosby.
The hockey purists are gonna complain about team europe but casuals aren't gonna care near as much as long as team Canada team USA aren't affected.
The reality is you have to have a team Europe. Complaining about gimmick teams is no different than complaining Germany doesn't have enough players for their own team.
People have to accept you're trying to one up the Spengler cup. This is at best an invitational tournament that has true competitive balance.
There's no reason to compete with the world championships/Olympics, the reasons they suck is exactly why if the NHL copied them they'd end up sucking too.
If you want the perfectly balanced best on best national team tournament you might as well just have team Canada play Team America. There's no way to have a best on best competitive tournament otherwise.
In the juniors etc, lessor countries suceed largely because selecting the best is hard. When you're picking NHL veterans you know whos showing up before the games even begin.
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In general I dont think the IIHF rank is that important, obviously Sweden will be invited, with all the nhlers we have.
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No you don't. The IIHF is perfectly capable of hosting tournaments with REAL national teams and the NHL hosted TWO World Cup tournaments with real national teams in 1996 and 2004. It's not a good argument.
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I still think 8 by IIHF ranking.. this will be in February and run by the NHL. So it won't be a 3 week long tournament with qualifiers. All my ideas are based on who is organizing it.. the NHL.
They will want as many NHL players and as little involvement as possible from the IIHF. In fact, I think they'd be thrilled to not even include the IIHF or negotiate with them. Just my opinion but I never see them work that well together. They definitely don't want to deal with the KHL.
So I think it'll be 6 teams or 8 teams with some kind of gimmicks. The NHL doesn't care about international hockey.. I don't think that is controversial to say, is it?
6 teams would be quick and painless... every game is an ASG with lots of jerseys sold. North American timeslots to maximize North American ads. I doubt we see a Skoda in the corner. Probably in Las Vegas. I could even see them kicking Czechs out and making the 6th team Europe again (think of all the Pasta and Drai jerseys for Team Europe selling out!). I could see them say Drai and Seider can play for the Czechs along with Josi. I'm not even joking. Is this what I want? f*** NO! But last time they created 2 fake teams to get more NHLers in.
There is what I want and there is the what the NHL will give me. I don't think they are the same.lol
The IIHF and NHL are not gonna work together, any more than the KHL and NHL are gonna work together.
Injecting even one gimmick team immediately deflates the tournament for many.
There's already the All Star game for what you're looking for.
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Get real people.
If the NHL thinks it can garner more interest with fake teams, the World Cup will have gimmick teams.
The NHLs target audience isn't the international hockey enthusist. We're already in their back pocket.
Bettman, like always, will attempt to appeal to the casual hockey fan.
If the NHL thinks Team U23 and Team Europe will amass more interest than Team Germany or Switzerland with the casual fan, get ready for Team Young Gunzzzz!!! and Team Leftovers in 2024.
It all comes down to $$. Always.
If the NHL thinks it can garner more interest with fake teams, the World Cup will have gimmick teams.
The NHLs target audience isn't the international hockey enthusist. We're already in their back pocket.
Bettman, like always, will attempt to appeal to the casual hockey fan.
If the NHL thinks Team U23 and Team Europe will amass more interest than Team Germany or Switzerland with the casual fan, get ready for Team Young Gunzzzz!!! and Team Leftovers in 2024.
It all comes down to $$. Always.
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The NHL didn't need the IIHF to host two World Cups with real national teams. Gimmick teams are a horrible idea for an international tournament.
Rankings schmanckings, there is no tournament best on best that will include Germany and exclude Sweden you can book it.
No one's going to take national teams run by the NHL seriously. Cooperation with the IIHF is a must if they want to create a tournament with any credibility. The Canada Cups as well as the earlier World Cups were official IIHF events.
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I agree, the NHL is pretty incapable of marketing its own club league product, never mind hosting and marketing a best on best international competition by itself. I'm just making the point that the two earliest iterations of the World Cup (1996, 2004) had real national teams and didn't need the ploy of gimmick all star teams to do it.
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I don't really see where they could play in Italy. Bolzano?
The new olympic arena in Milan won't be ready for sure in 2024, there may be a chance that the renovation of the old Palatrussardi (Vobis? Sharp? kinda lost the updates on the name) may be quicker, but as for now it is still just an empty shell in the middle of a rubble pile since it has been closed for more than 10 years.
That said I would love a properly organized international ice hockey tournament in my hometown.
The new olympic arena in Milan won't be ready for sure in 2024, there may be a chance that the renovation of the old Palatrussardi (Vobis? Sharp? kinda lost the updates on the name) may be quicker, but as for now it is still just an empty shell in the middle of a rubble pile since it has been closed for more than 10 years.
That said I would love a properly organized international ice hockey tournament in my hometown.
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Would having a qualification round necessarily be that difficult/awful?
Say that the final tournament only featured eight teams. Couldn’t one set up a few back to back qualifiers based on the IIHF rankings for example (maybe a bad example considering it’s heavily influenced by a long series of non-best on best competition, but just for conversation), to give the teams ranked 5 through 12 a chance to compete for the last four spots?
Based on today’s ranking (due to change after the Olympics I presume), we’re looking at Germany v. Denmark, Czechia v. Norway, Sweden v. Latvia, and Switzerland v. Slovakia in two games before the actual tournament. Bully to Kopitar, but it seems like a relatively fair way to go. And terrifying.
Say that the final tournament only featured eight teams. Couldn’t one set up a few back to back qualifiers based on the IIHF rankings for example (maybe a bad example considering it’s heavily influenced by a long series of non-best on best competition, but just for conversation), to give the teams ranked 5 through 12 a chance to compete for the last four spots?
Based on today’s ranking (due to change after the Olympics I presume), we’re looking at Germany v. Denmark, Czechia v. Norway, Sweden v. Latvia, and Switzerland v. Slovakia in two games before the actual tournament. Bully to Kopitar, but it seems like a relatively fair way to go. And terrifying.
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