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NewMuzu24

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Barrie22 said:
The reason it is an Ottawa fault is because they lied to vegas about his no trade clause, making the player easier to trade in the future if needed by vegas. When Vegas tried to do just that, they were informed by the players agent that Anaheim was on his no trade list that they showed proof of giving to Ottawa.
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The Nemesis said:
Ottawa gave Dadonov a contract that included a limited NTC with a 10-team no-trade list

Then when they wanted to trade him, Vegas wasn't one of the teams he would block a trade to so they sent him there.

Here is where the issue crops up.

Vegas contended that when they executed the trade with Ottawa, they point-blank asked the Senators if there were any trade/movement clauses in Dadonov's contract that they needed to be aware of and were told that there were none (presumably creating the illusion in Vegas' eyes that his prior NTC was rescinded in light of the deal to Vegas as it is common for a player who agrees to waive his NTC to facilitate a trade to no longer have those protections again after the deal is completed. Or that there had been communication breakdowns between the Sens and Dadonov which led to the clause not being updated with them before a necessary deadline.)

So when the Knights turned around and tried to trade him to Anaheim (a team that was on his 10-team no-trade list), they had no reason to suspect it was not permitted and didn't find out until the trade was finalized and someone in Dadonov's camp filed a complaint over Vegas' (unknowing) non-compliance. This led to the deal being rescinded before they eventually traded him to Montreal. But as a result the club claims that they've been hit with the reputation of being attempted rule-breakers and they kept pushing for the league to investigate the Senators' actions in the original trade so that they would receive "rightful" blame for the screw up and absolve Vegas of the rep given that they were duped into the situation unknowingly.

You're right that there should've been other checks (Vegas should've checked with Dadonov's management about how they viewed the NTC prior to the Anahiem deal. And they should've also gotten clarification from the league.) but I believe when the snafu originally happened reporters said that while NHL central registry does track player rights to make sure that nobody trades for/away a guy they don't technically have control over, there is no central hub for NTC/NMC clauses in contracts. There probably should be. And at the end of the day this ultimately is Ottawa's fault as the onus was on them to understand the nature of the clause they gave out to ensure they gave Vegas all the proper information in the trade. If they made faulty assumptions about it based on Dadonov's camp submitting things wrong or that the clause was no longer active at the time of the trade to Vegas, that's on them. Vegas wasn't really in a position to doubt their sincerity given that this sort of situation almost never happens.
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Thank you both for the clarification. I still want to know how the NHL even let this happen. Seems they play a role as well, but there won’t be any admission of that.

How do clubs not know about No-Trade provisions that most fans know about? And are these clauses not written into the contracts? Or attached as amendments? This happening makes it sound like it’s all handshake stuff, but that can’t be true.

Asshattery abounds.
 
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Barrie22

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NewMuzu24 said:
Thank you both for the clarification. I still want to know how the NHL even let this happen. Seems they play a role as well, but there won’t be any admission of that.

How do clubs not know about No-Trade provisions that most fans know about? And are these clauses not written into the contracts? Or attached as amendments? This happening makes it sound like it’s all handshake stuff, but that can’t be true.

Asshattery abounds.
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In this case, the NTC would be written in the contract like player has a 10 team list of teams he won't accept going to, that needs to be sent in by so and so day at so and so time.

The list is basically just provided to the team and kept until the next season when the list gets updated. Sens GM got the list on time, but refused to tell Vegas that the list was provided to make the original deal.
 
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NHL and NHLPA know the definition of trade/movement limits in a contract as it is registered with the NHL Central Registry.

However, agents (on behalf of players) provide the no-trade lists to the TEAM.

There is no central registry of those lists. One reason is the concern those lists would be leaked.
 
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LadyStanley said:
NHL and NHLPA know the definition of trade/movement limits in a contract as it is registered with the NHL Central Registry.

However, agents (on behalf of players) provide the no-trade lists to the TEAM.

There is no central registry of those lists. One reason is the concern those lists would be leaked.
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I honestly think the lists should be public... If anything I think it would make things much more entertaining and interesting by creating natural faces and heels for certain fanbases
 
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Sharks discussed 41:50.

Big question: is Plattner on board.
Don't think that coaching change will change much.
Sharks need to provide best home game experience in league.
 
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