NHL News/Notes XIX

[TheBeard]

The avs time at the top is coming to a quick end.

Everyone locked up long term is young still. The key now is obviously Igor in nets.

 

[Reggae Shark]

Who's this Rantanen fella dudes keep talkin about? I imagine he was a high pick? No way Sharks could have drafted him right?

 

[Munnyro]

Barbs gonna have to miss it.

 

[Hodge]

Barbs gonna have to miss it.

Utter nonsense. Just because someone is from Russia doesn’t mean they support Putin or the war.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Utter nonsense. Just because someone is from Russia doesn’t mean they support Putin or the war.

I agree with this. Russian citizens shouldn't be punished for their leaders' actions. This doesn't hurt anyone in power, it just screws regular people.

 

[weastern bias]

I understand it from a European perspective

It was farcical when Canada wouldn't allow a Russian child to enter their borders to play piano because of the war but the realities of living on the same continent as the ongoing conflict make a position like this at least understandable

 

[Munnyro]

It's a stupid half measure. If you wanna throw down the gauntlet and stick to 'em, cut off new Visas or something tangible. Otherwise it just comes off as PR fluff.

 

[Pavelski2112]

It's a stupid half measure. If you wanna throw down the gauntlet and stick to 'em, cut off new Visas or something tangible. Otherwise it just comes off as PR fluff.

The elites in Russia don't give a shit about normal people; hurting those people literally does nothing to convince Russian leadership to do anything.

All of it is PR fluff

 

[weastern bias]

I don't know if levying restrictive sanctions against a hostile foreign entity that is currently committing war crimes on your shared continent is prudent policy

It's pretty easy to wax philosophical about what the Czech government should or shouldn't do from the other side of the planet, we're not as vulnerable to the whims of the Russian regime as the people of Czechia

This just kinda makes sense to me, a soft rebuke of the Russian invasion without an unnecessary escalation of tensions

 

[Pavelski2112]

I don't know if levying restrictive sanctions against a hostile foreign entity that is currently committing war crimes on your shared continent is prudent policy

It's pretty easy to wax philosophical about what the Czech government should or shouldn't do from the other side of the planet, we're not as vulnerable to the whims of the Russian regime as the people of Czechia

This just kinda makes sense to me, a soft rebuke of the Russian invasion without an unnecessary escalation of tensions

How is it a rebuke, though? It's literally worse than doing nothing because again, you're not actually doing anything to the Russian government.

 

[Cas]

How is it a rebuke, though? It's literally worse than doing nothing because again, you're not actually doing anything to the Russian government.

I mean, they are, this just isn't part of that portion of what they're doing.

This is a symbolic move, but symbolic moves can be important. They can also be pointless. Given the Czech's history with Russia, I don't find it surprising.

 

[Pavelski2112]

I mean, they are, this just isn't part of that portion of what they're doing.

This is a symbolic move, but symbolic moves can be important. They can also be pointless. Given the Czech's history with Russia, I don't find it surprising.

I just don't see the point in harming innocent Russian civilians, unless you're trying to accelerate political unrest to the point they try to change something from the inside or something, and even that doesn't really work unless things are so f***ed that there's no other option.

 

[weastern bias]

How is it a rebuke, though? It's literally worse than doing nothing because again, you're not actually doing anything to the Russian government.

It's soft and performative but that's about all you can ask of an entity that knows they don't have any real muscle to flex

This is a demonstration to their neighbors that they stand in opposition to the actions of the Russian government but they can't really push too hard without the explicit support of more powerful nations in their part of the world without risking inciting the wrath of an irrational and aggressive nation with wealth and resources they can't possibly compete against

I don't know if I'd say it's worse than nothing, it's a reasoned yet rational act, I think they want to make a statement that's too mild to invite a direct response

I just don't see the point in harming innocent Russian civilians, unless you're trying to accelerate political unrest to the point they try to change something from the inside or something, and even that doesn't really work unless things are so f***ed that there's no other option.

Czechia is responsible to their citizens first and foremost, this response is rational

They are not punishing Russian citizens, this action is a direct response to the actions of the Russian government, that is who is truly punishing the Russian people

 

[Pavelski2112]

It's soft and performative but that's about all you can ask of an entity that knows they don't have any real muscle to flex

This is a demonstration to their neighbors that they stand in opposition to the actions of the Russian government but they can't really push too hard without the explicit support of more powerful nations in their part of the world without risking inciting the wrath of an irrational and aggressive nation with wealth and resources they can't possibly compete against

I don't know if I'd say it's worse than nothing, it's a reasoned yet rational act, I think they want to make a statement that's too mild to invite a direct response


Czechia is responsible to their citizens first and foremost, this response is rational

They are not punishing Russian citizens, this action is a direct response to the actions of the Russian government, that is who is truly punishing the Russian people

The Russian people are being punished by the Russian government, I'll agree with that, but those same citizens also have no say in what they can do about it, and the response from most of the world has been completely ineffective in supporting those same citizens. Sanctions and visa bans do literally nothing of any material benefit to anyone, and in fact often make things worse.

Giving asylum to Russian citizens and opening travel to them would help things far, far more. You can still give the Russian government the finger by showing that their people would rather live somewhere else, and you'd be materially helping real people.

 

[weastern bias]

The Russian people are being punished by the Russian government, I'll agree with that, but those same citizens also have no say in what they can do about it, and the response from most of the world has been completely ineffective in supporting those same citizens. Sanctions and visa bans do literally nothing of any material benefit to anyone, and in fact often make things worse.

Giving asylum to Russian citizens and opening travel to them would help things far, far more. You can still give the Russian government the finger by showing that their people would rather live somewhere else, and you'd be materially helping real people.

It sure would be nice, but it's also not the responsibility of the Czech government or the Czech people to offer that humanitarian aid, they have the safety and security of their own people to focus on and I doubt they want to risk raising the ire of an irrational actor so close to home

If anyone is dropping the ball it's not a country like Czechia who has their own struggles to worry about, I'd sooner point the finger at some more fabulously wealthy nations who can absolutely offer that humanitarian aid without suffering in the slightest

 

[Pavelski2112]

It sure would be nice, but it's also not the responsibility of the Czech government or the Czech people to offer that humanitarian aid, they have the safety and security of their own people to focus on and I doubt they want to risk raising the ire of an irrational actor so close to home

If anyone is dropping the ball it's not a country like Czechia who has their own struggles to worry about, I'd sooner point the finger at some more fabulously wealthy nations who can absolutely offer that humanitarian aid without suffering in the slightest

That's a fair point, but irrationally being afraid of hockey players coming into their country to play a tournament isn't protecting anyone and just looks silly.

Re: the latter point, I agree with that. This whole situation has been pretty much fumbled by every party.

 

[weastern bias]

That's a fair point, but irrationally being afraid of hockey players coming into their country to play a tournament isn't protecting anyone and just looks silly.

Re: the latter point, I agree with that. This whole situation has been pretty much fumbled by every party.

I agree, it's a tragic story in every direction

 

[DG93]

I don't know if levying restrictive sanctions against a hostile foreign entity that is currently committing war crimes on your shared continent is prudent policy

It's pretty easy to wax philosophical about what the Czech government should or shouldn't do from the other side of the planet, we're not as vulnerable to the whims of the Russian regime as the people of Czechia

This just kinda makes sense to me, a soft rebuke of the Russian invasion without an unnecessary escalation of tensions

Seems like a guy like Barabanov is basically getting f***ed over because of the country that he's from. No matter how shitty Russia's invasion of Ukraine is, this is just straight up xenophobia imo and accomplishes nothing. Find a way to make a "symbolic" showing without screwing over people who have nothing to do with this is my take on it.

 

[weastern bias]

Seems like a guy like Barabanov is basically getting f***ed over because of the country that he's from. No matter how shitty Russia's invasion of Ukraine is, this is just straight up xenophobia imo and accomplishes nothing. Find a way to make a "symbolic" showing without screwing over people who have nothing to do with this is my take on it.

They probably have bigger concerns than whether or not a foreign hockey player gets to join his pro team to play a game

 

[Munnyro]

I hope he still goes and runs around Prague with the team for the shenanigans.

 

[LadyStanley]

Congratulations!! Past due

 

[LadyStanley]

Save for chirping

 

[LadyStanley]

Not a welcome announcement for Canucks

 

[LadyStanley]

Critical date

 

[LadyStanley]

23-24 $83.5m
24-25 $87.5-88m
25-26 ~$92m

Hope