LOFIN
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f***ing bullshit lolUFAs sure, but they're getting 10-20% discounts on virtually every re-signing. It's definitely not nothing
f***ing bullshit lolUFAs sure, but they're getting 10-20% discounts on virtually every re-signing. It's definitely not nothing
Its coming from American teams too.
I think people aren't highlighting the fact that we had a flat cap from about 2020 to this offseason. With less growth in the cap, being able to maximize cap space became more important.
Since the last time a Canadian franchise won a Cup, California has earned three rings and the greater New York metro area has earned four.Is it a great excuse for California and New York teams as well.
New York City is also one of the most expensive places to live in North America. Is the league doing a cost of living cap adjustment too?Since the last time a Canadian franchise won a Cup, California has earned three rings and the greater New York metro area has earned four.
Cap came in 2005-06Since the last time a Canadian franchise won a Cup, California has earned three rings and the greater New York metro area has earned four.
You really don't think before you type.
Yeah Forsling, Reinhart, Point, Kucherov etc. are definitely market value dealsf***ing bullshit lol
We aren't talking about the cap, we're talking about income taxes.Cap came in 2005-06
ironic
Income taxes would have been irrelevant for big money teams pre-cap. If Tampa offers Kuch 9m, Toronto offers him 15-16mWe aren't talking about the cap, we're talking about income taxes.
Stop moving the goal posts.
Income taxes would have been irrelevant for big money teams pre-cap. If Tampa offers Kuch 9m, Toronto offers him 15-16m
No ones moving goal posts, you made a shitty argument while trying to shit on someone. Stop crying about it.
Your premise is totally wrong, pre-cap only a handful of teams could afford to write blank checks. Same as it is now. You don't know your history.The whole reason we're discussing income taxes is BECAUSE there is a salary cap limiting how much teams can spend lmao
Make the cap based on actual salary after reductions from income tax.Even if you think this is a big edge some teams have over others I don't understand what anyone expects the league to do about this. Tax policy is(or at least should be) way above the pay grade of a sports league. It is what it is.
There are several obvious cap exploiting loopholes that are worthy of fan criticism but this one ain't it.
No it isn't. Daley literally says the chatter is coming out of Canadian markets and it's always Canadian fans on here complaining about it.
Lets ignore the fact that the article cited is literally from an American publication written by an American and said publication has generally had American's write about this topic.
Lets also ignore when its covered by Americans like here: NHL free agency shows teams in states with no income tax have an advantage
Or ignore when fans of American teams complain about it here.
The consensus here and elsewhere from informal polls and what players have said is that it is a competitive advantage, that its not a significant competitive advantage. There are a number of teams in the US that have fewer tax advantages than the Oilers, Flames and Jets. To say nothing of tax planning options that are available in Canada vs. the US.
Why you look at one article quoting one American on a Canadian team, ignore nuance and just be so lazy in commenting? Or have you never even listened to sports radio in the US to think that this is a Canadian thing only?
This feels like you intend it to be a dunk, but it's important to realize (and is pointed out in every thread on the topic) that income taxes are not the only advantage/disadvantage that certain markets have, and possibly not even the most meaningful one.
That's on the player. Not the team. Gross salary (AAV) minus income taxes. Bang.There are tax planning/sheltering schemes in some jurisdictions that are advantageous but take years or decades to show benefit. It truly is not that simple.
Yeah Forsling, Reinhart, Point, Kucherov etc. are definitely market value deals
No where in the article does it state what teams have brought up this issue in their meetings. All he says is that theres obviously chatter out there in the media, specifically the canadian markets (are you really surprised? Canadian media market for hockey is just on another level compared to whats in the states, just look at the media that constantly gets posted on this site).No it isn't. Daley literally says the chatter is coming out of Canadian markets and it's always Canadian fans on here complaining about it.
Lmao what kind of argument is this? Daley literally said verbatim that the complaints about the tax advantages are specifically coming from Canadian franchises about how Canadian franchises are disadvantaged. The fact that it was published by the Athletic has literally no relevance here.
You're the one that's arbitrarily saying "American fans complain about it too!" without providing any evidence of that. The reality is what everyone knows: the overwhelming majority of complaints about the unfairness from income taxes is coming from Canadian fans and Canadian media. That is a factual statement.
Obviously there’s chatter out there, specifically in the Canadian media, that the Canadian franchises are disadvantaged.
Competitive balance absolutely is what they wanted. Cap is the only reason like half the teams in the league can even exist.If the owners really had a problem with the current situation they would just abandon the cap entirely. They didn't deprive us of an an entire season and a half of hockey just so they could get rid of the cap a decade later once a few people started complaining.
Cost certainty is what the owners wanted, not competitive balance. If it's advantageous to small market teams with lower taxes so be it.
It's a thing, sure, but I think it's overblown. If Matthews was a free agent, would he take less money than he is making with Toronto in lower tax place? Doubtful. Drai would be making 14-15 M on the cap anywhere in the NHL. Goalie Bob would take up more than 10M in cap space if he signed with NYR? Or in California? Or somewhere in Canada? Instead of signing in Florida? I don't think so.
How can I take this seriously. Forsling $5.75 is market value? What in the world are you talking about, literal unanimous reaction was "wow that's a steal"Aside from Kucherov, yes they are. The fact that there are other players around the league who are overpaid is another issue.
Actually, even the Kucherov deal wasn't that much of a hometown discount when he signed it. One 100 point season when he signed, and before that just one season with +PPG.
thats just Zito magicHow can I take this seriously. Forsling $5.75 is market value? What in the world are you talking about, literal unanimous reaction was "wow that's a steal"
It's maybe 0.75M less than what his perceived value is.How can I take this seriously. Forsling $5.75 is market value? What in the world are you talking about, literal unanimous reaction was "wow that's a steal"