Post-Game Talk: NHL Expansion Draft and Awards Show - Bruins lose Colin Miller - Bergeron Wins Selke

[BruinDust]

Ok then if that's so important to you give Vegas something to pass all of them. Only took a 5th (our pick from the Liles trade) for Vegas to take whatever scab the canes wanted them too.

That's the route I would of chosen. Retain both Colin and McQuaid. Keep your defensive depth intact.

Only issue there is if other teams have interest in the player (such as the Leafs in Colin), you pretty much have to equal the asset the Leafs in this case would be offering.

That being said, I don't suspect that asset is of any massive value. Probably a 3rd or 4th, something in that range.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

LVK stuck with the plan to build through the draft. There was lots of talk of stock piling goal tenders for turning them into assets via trade. The must have seen or already have value coming back in moving several acquired. As others have mentioned, the team drafted and the team that appears on opening night will be very different. Fun night with part 2 kicking in with in the hour.

McKenzie and Servelli provided insight on how it played out and what the next steps will be. Servelli commented he knows for a fact that VanReimsdyke is in play in a deal with Carolina. Will wager a guess that Haneffin is Vegas bound with one of the acquired first round picks going to the Canes.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/draft-picks-defencemen-give-mcphee-lots-of-options-to-work-with~1151374

 

[BruinDust]

Do you really think they are going to trade McQuaid?

No I don't.

But if they want to, they can move him. Easily. Not a massive return, but McQuaid is easily movable for a mid-range asset if they simply want his cap off the books.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Took more than a 5th from Anaheim. Took Theodore.
McPhee is not stupid, if he knows he can pick talent he will make a team pay for keeping it. I would not give up our 1st for keeping Colin. If that was the asking price, I say Sweeney made the right call.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Took more than a 5th from Anaheim. Took Theodore.
McPhee is not stupid, if he knows he can pick talent he will make a team pay for keeping it. I would not give up our 1st for keeping Colin. If that was the asking price, I say Sweeney made the right call.

No, you just leave Mcquaid and Kevan Miller exposed. Problem solved. Redundant players that are already at their ceiling, though some seem to project that Kevan is going to be Bourque next season after witnessing 20 games of steady play (after 6yrs of mediocre play mind you)

 

[BruinDust]

Took more than a 5th from Anaheim. Took Theodore.
McPhee is not stupid, if he knows he can pick talent he will make a team pay for keeping it. I would not give up our 1st for keeping Colin. If that was the asking price, I say Sweeney made the right call.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say it wouldn't of taken a 1st rounder to get the Knights to stay away from Colin Miller.

And Vegas took on Stoner's bad contract along with passing on two legit bonafide Top 4 D in Vatanen and Manson. Apples to Oranges in comparison to getting Vegas to pass on Colin and take a lesser player without a bad contract (think Subban, Morrow, Ferlin, Randell, etc.).

Will be interesting to see what Vegas deals Colin for if that rumour transaction goes down.

 

[Bmessy]

How are we gauging this trade market that Vegas will have for all these Dmen?
It certainly won't be trade deadline like prices. It's kind of a weird in between. Technically they are just now another team with cap problems and alot of expiring contracts. But there's no deadline for buyers. So, teams could easily just wait it out and try to drive the price down, instead of the opposite, deadline looming and price goes up.
Or am I just completely wrong? It's very possible I'm wrong.

I'm sure Vegas is chomping at the bit for young talent picks and prospects. Something we have in spades. I wouldn't mind if we went at Methot. Depending on price

 

[BruinDust]

No, you just leave Mcquaid and Kevan Miller exposed. Problem solved. Redundant players that are already at their ceiling, though some seem to project that Kevan is going to be Bourque next season after witnessing 20 games of steady play (after 6yrs of mediocre play mind you)

Psssst.

McAvoy sort of made Colin Miller redundant as well.

Just my gut feeling, but I think Boston was all set to protect Colin Miller.

Then McAvoy due to injuries got signed early and showed in the playoffs he's the better player now, with a higher upside.

Honest question.

Assume your Top 4 is a combination of Chara/Carlo/Krug/McAvoy.

And Boston wants to run two 4F/1D PP units, one with Krug and another with McAvoy.

Who do you want as a A) a PK option and B) manning the right side partnered with one of Morrow/Gryz/O'Gara/Lauzon/Johansson/Zboril on the left.

Colin Miller or one of Adam McQuaid/Kevan Miller?

Cause I'll take McQuaid/Kevan for that role every day and twice on Sundays.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Psssst.

McAvoy sort of made Colin Miller redundant as well.

Just my gut feeling, but I think Boston was all set to protect Colin Miller.

Then McAvoy due to injuries got signed early and showed in the playoffs he's the better player now, with a higher upside.

Honest question.

Assume your Top 4 is a combination of Chara/Carlo/Krug/McAvoy.

And Boston wants to run two 4F/1D PP units, one with Krug and another with McAvoy.

Who do you want as a A) a PK option and B) manning the right side partnered with one of Morrow/Gryz/O'Gara/Lauzon/Johansson/Zboril on the left.

Colin Miller or one of Adam McQuaid/Kevan Miller?

Cause I'll take McQuaid/Kevan for that role every day and twice on Sundays.

I don't think he's interested in anything other than hyperbole.

I get the argument that it's poor asset management. I don't get the idea that C. Miller is any better than Kevan right now. I don't think there's a spot for C. Miller on this team

Also, as an aside, Bob McKenzie just tweeted that he thinks Miller to Toronto talk is more media driven than anything

 

[BruinDust]

I don't think he's interested in anything other than hyperbole.

I get the argument that it's poor asset management. I don't get the idea that C. Miller is any better than Kevan right now. I don't think there's a spot for C. Miller on this team

Also, as an aside, Bob McKenzie just tweeted that he thinks Miller to Toronto talk is more media driven than anything

With a healthy line-up, I think Colin would of been a 3rd pairing guy, with either him or one of Kevan/McQuaid playing their off-side, and having no special teams role.

I think that is a big thing. Unless your running a multi-functional top 4 like say a Nashville, it's tough to have a D-man in your line-up with no special teams role.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Psssst.

McAvoy sort of made Colin Miller redundant as well.

Just my gut feeling, but I think Boston was all set to protect Colin Miller.

Then McAvoy due to injuries got signed early and showed in the playoffs he's the better player now, with a higher upside.

Honest question.

Assume your Top 4 is a combination of Chara/Carlo/Krug/McAvoy.

And Boston wants to run two 4F/1D PP units, one with Krug and another with McAvoy.

Who do you want as a A) a PK option and B) manning the right side partnered with one of Morrow/Gryz/O'Gara/Lauzon/Johansson/Zboril on the left.

Colin Miller or one of Adam McQuaid/Kevan Miller?

Cause I'll take McQuaid/Kevan for that role every day and twice on Sundays.

This is a good point.

 

[bb_fan]

If Vegas thought Mcquaid was worth something then they would have taken him instead and dealt him for a pick. They felt there was more value in Colin Miller than Mcquaid. Let that sink in for those that hate C Miller.

Instead we keep a bottom pairing defense locked up. So that means A) the rookie that comes in has to be ready to play top four or ...B) One of Miller or Mcquaid are in the top four which isn't ideal.

Collin Miller in the top 4 wasn't ideal either.

Carlo in the top 4 isn't ideal either. (look at his end of season, to many minutes and asked to do to much. handled it well, but not a position he should have been in)

Krug really isn't a top 4 guy either.

none of it's ideal.

but take out Mcquaid, and to a lesser extent, kevin Miller...... outside of those two, who on this team provides any type of physical presence? (including forwards...)

Collin might have more value outside of the bruin's, but that doesn't mean he had more value to the Bruin's.

 

[Number8]

Actually I'm not so sure it would have. Teams had to cough up some good assets to stay away from the real good players like Dumba and Vatanen, but there were quite a few instances where teams only gave a 5th/6th to avoid marginal guys.

I didn't care much about losing Colin before the draft, but seeing how little it cost some teams to protect their guys, I'm pretty surprised the Bruins couldn't get them to lay off him and take someone like Hayes or Subban instead.

I'll have to look closer, but it's hard to imagine two players with less ongoing value to LVG than Hayes or Subban. I was always amazed that Subban's name even came up.

LVG is not winning in near future -- so one would assume any of their picks "should" have:

1) Net sufficient assets as part of selection NOW -- to justify it. (Picks/prospects given to LVG for making selection).
2) Provide opportunity to net significant assets in future (move post ED).
3) Be a player you can build around in future.
4) Be a player that will be exciting to fans now -- give them some reason to show up.
5) Some combination of the above.

In my view, Hayes or Subban fit only into category 1. Since Colin Miller was up for grabs, logically Sweeney would have had to have given something more than Collin Miller to get rid of Hayes or Subban. Right now neither player has any value moving forward IMO. Maybe Subban can change that -- Hayes cannot.

Now Beleskey? Maybe there was an opportunity there. But two goal Jimmy? Not a chance IMO.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

Collin Miller in the top 4 wasn't ideal either.

Carlo in the top 4 isn't ideal either. (look at his end of season, to many minutes and asked to do to much. handled it well, but not a position he should have been in)

Krug really isn't a top 4 guy either.

none of it's ideal.

but take out Mcquaid, and to a lesser extent, kevin Miller...... outside of those two, who on this team provides any type of physical presence? (including forwards...)

Collin might have more value outside of the bruin's, but that doesn't mean he had more value to the Bruin's.

I thought that's why we were paying Backes and Beleskey nearly $10m combined?

 

[BruinDust]

I'll have to look closer, but it's hard to imagine two players with less ongoing value to LVG than Hayes or Subban. I was always amazed that Subban's name even came up.

LVG is not winning in near future -- so one would assume any of their picks "should" have:

1) Net sufficient assets as part of selection NOW -- to justify it. (Picks/prospects given to LVG for making selection).
2) Provide opportunity to net significant assets in future (move post ED).
3) Be a player you can build around in future.
4) Be a player that will be exciting to fans now -- give them some reason to show up.
5) Some combination of the above.

In my view, Hayes or Subban fit only into category 1. Since Colin Miller was up for grabs, logically Sweeney would have had to have given something more than Collin Miller to get rid of Hayes or Subban. Right now neither player has any value moving forward IMO. Maybe Subban can change that -- Hayes cannot.

Now Beleskey? Maybe there was an opportunity there. But two goal Jimmy? Not a chance IMO.

Same.

I don't care where he was drafted, 4 full AHL seasons and still never fully established as a starting AHL goaltender, Vegas was never taking Subban. Subban's value is close to nothing.

He might not even be qualified by Boston, and if the Bruins are determined to get rid of Subban, all they have to do is not give him a qualifying offer.

The only two logical options for Vegas without Boston handing them further incentive was Colin or McQuaid.

 

[BruinDust]

I thought that's why we were paying Backes and Beleskey nearly $10m combined?

Backes and Belesky are down low in the corners of the defensive zone and in front of Boston's net?

 

[bb_fan]

I thought that's why we were paying Backes and Beleskey nearly $10m combined?

Backes i'll give you, Beleskey checks, but doesn't hit.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

Backes and Belesky are down low in the corners of the defensive zone and in front of Boston's net?

You said, who provides a physical presence including forwards. I included forwards.

You want to talk about down low in the corners and in front of the net? Chara, Carlo, and one of K. Miller or McQuaid.

 

[Fenian24]

No, you just leave Mcquaid and Kevan Miller exposed. Problem solved. Redundant players that are already at their ceiling, though some seem to project that Kevan is going to be Bourque next season after witnessing 20 games of steady play (after 6yrs of mediocre play mind you)

Yes as opposed to future all star Colin Miller. I like Colin but this hyperbole regarding him is bordering on Khokolachev/Knight levels.

Isn't Miller a redundancy to Krug? A little bigger than Krug, not as good defensively, bigger but not as good overall and may never be.

Sweeney made the right decision protecting Kevan and got lucky that Vegas didn't take McQuaid.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

Backes i'll give you, Beleskey checks, but doesn't hit.

That was a giant waste of nearly $4m then.

 

[DKH]

No I don't.

But if they want to, they can move him. Easily. Not a massive return, but McQuaid is easily movable for a mid-range asset if they simply want his cap off the books.

Get that whooping 3.3 % off the books for a 20 minute analytics monster

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Collin Miller in the top 4 wasn't ideal either.

Carlo in the top 4 isn't ideal either. (look at his end of season, to many minutes and asked to do to much. handled it well, but not a position he should have been in)

Krug really isn't a top 4 guy either.

none of it's ideal.

but take out Mcquaid, and to a lesser extent, kevin Miller...... outside of those two, who on this team provides any type of physical presence? (including forwards...)

Collin might have more value outside of the bruin's, but that doesn't mean he had more value to the Bruin's.

I agree that Chiller not a Top 4 (and I'm a fan of his).

However, neither Krug, nor Carlo Top 4? Please explain this to me. I have only had two coffees and must be missing something?

 

[BruinDust]

Get that whooping 3.3 % off the books for a 20 minute analytics monster

I'd prefer to keep him to be honest.

I'm fine with Carlo-McAvoy-Kevan-McQuaid as the right side at approx. 7 million combined this year and next.

But if they want to move him they can, that's all I'm saying.

McQuaid would of gotten my 7th player vote. And Kevan's play in this year's playoffs was excellent.

 

[Fenian24]

You said, who provides a physical presence including forwards. I included forwards.

You want to talk about down low in the corners and in front of the net? Chara, Carlo, and one of K. Miller or McQuaid.

This is the least physical team I have ever seen in Boston, at least keeping McQuaid gives them a bit of a physical presence. Carlo is not physical, Belesky is not overly physical and Chara doesn't hit anywhere near as much as he used to.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Yes as opposed to future all star Colin Miller. I like Colin but this hyperbole regarding him is bordering on Khokolachev/Knight levels.

Isn't Miller a redundancy to Krug? A little bigger than Krug, not as good defensively, bigger but not as good overall and may never be.

Sweeney made the right decision protecting Kevan and got lucky that Vegas didn't take McQuaid.

Who is saying Colin is a future star?

The issue I think most have with not protecting him is that you end up with two RH, injury prone, defensive, 30+ D (who make $2.5m +) who are virtually identical players projected to be the 3rd pair.