Prospect Info: NHL Draft 2018 - Friday...Friday...

[Bonsai Tree]

If we have somebody equally rated to Tkachuk I could seem them leaning away from a legacy player. One tour with Old Walt was enough IMO.

Saw a tweet referencing a quote from Tim Bernhardt where he says (paraphrased), "We're not going to be waiting on pins and needles to see what teams ahead of us are doing" and that "We will be very happy with the player we pick at number 5."

Now, I don't want to read too much into this, but this could be spun as the Coyotes having already made their pick of player who isn't part of the consensus top-5 players (Wahlstrom?).

I love/hate Draft season.

Oh hell I hope not. Let some other team go off the beaten path to find a diamond in the rough.

 

[avco]

Craig Button's Final Edition Mock Draft

https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-mock-draft-the-intrigue-starts-with-the-habs-1.1116064

 

[IPreferPi]

Fully expecting Tkachuk will be the pick now.

 

[moosemeister]

I'll get cancer if that happens.

40 GP - 8 Goals

vs

62 GP - 48 Goals

Wahlstrom looks better on his feet. Has a better shot. Clearly put up better numbers. Keller had 21 goals in the same program as Butt Tissue. I don't see anything that BT has that Wahlstrom doesn't besides a mean streak.

And I don't give a shit about the mean streak. We can get that out of Crouse, or Strome if someone calls his mom a bitch. That's attainable anywhere.

I do not feel comfortable AT ALL using a top five pick on Tkachuk.

 

[IPreferPi]

To be fair to Tkachuk, let's take a look at his stats last season as a 17 year old:

USNTDP - 24 GP, 12 goals, 23 points
U18 Team - 61 GP, 25 goals, 49 points

Better production. But still noticeably lower than what Wahlstrom achieved this season as a 17 year old:

USNTDP - 26 GP, 22 goals, 45 points
U18 Team - 62 GP, 48 goals, 94 points

 

[IPreferPi]

The one thing that will give me pause about Chayka selecting Tkachuk is that given his draft picks so far over two years, he does seem to factor in the value of prospect age.

Not counting late-round overagers like Steenbergen and Kudla, Tkachuk would be the oldest prospect Chayka has ever selected at the time of the draft.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I just don't know how Chayka can go with another "projectable" prospect this high up in the Draft after what we've been through with Dylan Strome.

 

[TheLegend]

Saw a tweet referencing a quote from Tim Bernhardt where he says (paraphrased), "We're not going to be waiting on pins and needles to see what teams ahead of us are doing" and that "We will be very happy with the player we pick at number 5."

Now, I don't want to read too much into this, but this could be spun as the Coyotes having already made their pick of player who isn't part of the consensus top-5 players (Wahlstrom?).

I love/hate Draft season.

Referring to this article??

http://arizonasports.com/story/1565...-tim-bernhardt/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[avco]

Found it funny that Bob McKenzie's Scouting Report on Wahlstrom is

"He’s an elite shooter and goal scorer. Some say he’s somewhat one dimensional - “he needs a good centre to get him the puck because he’s not good at getting it himself,” one scout said - but what a dimension to have because scouts project him as a potential first-line scoring winger in the NHL." - Bob McKenzie

Reason I found this description funny; Mike Bossy in his draft year was said to be one dimensional; which was why the Islanders got him on the 15th OV pick in 1977. Also know how Bossy turned out.

 

[IPreferPi]

Referring to this article??

NHL Draft is showtime for Coyotes director of amateur scouting Bernhardt

The TL;DR summary:

“You can’t look for specific holes to fill,” he said. “We’re like 30 other teams. Center ice is a hard position to fill and get depth in. Defense is probably the second hardest and then goaltending and wingers, but it’s hard enough to find players when you’re looking at 17-year-olds so we can’t get too specific.

“Our approach is: Let’s get good players and it will be up to John to move those pieces around, like he just did in the trade for Alex Galchenyuk. You have a lot of left wingers so you trade one for a guy who plays center and right wing. If we get enough good players we’ll be a good team because it will give John the ammunition and assets to move around. You don’t build a team with the draft. You build an organization with the draft and then you build a team by using those pieces.”

 

[XX]

Reason I found this description funny; Mike Bossy in his draft year was said to be one dimensional; which was why the Islanders got him on the 15th OV pick in 1977. Also know how Bossy turned out.

I find your anecdote funny because that has probably been said about dozens if not hundreds of players and it turned out to be absolutely true. We don't remember them because they amounted to nothing. You can't let one player anchor your view like that.

It's clear Matthew's impact (and to a lesser extent Tom Wilson) is helping Brady stay high in the rankings. Chayka hasn't really blown a 1st rounder yet so I defer to him and the staff.

 

[IPreferPi]

I find your anecdote funny because that has probably been said about dozens if not hundreds of players and it turned out to be absolutely true. We don't remember them because they amounted to nothing. You can't let one player anchor your view like that.

It's clear Matthew's impact (and to a lesser extent Tom Wilson) is helping Brady stay high in the rankings. Chayka hasn't really blown a 1st rounder yet so I defer to him and the staff.

It's funny because in your first paragraph you're decrying anchoring Wahlstrom to Bossy and then in the second you acknowledge Brady's value is being inflated because of anchoring to his brother.

Chayka hasn't really blown a first rounder yet and of course I give him and the scouts the benefit of the doubt because they deserve it. But that also doesn't mean that their decisions are above reproach or that they'll continue batting 1.000.

 

[SniperHF]

Couple of reasonably detailed draft rankings from the prospects board with a paragraph or two on most players:
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/articles/tryamkin’s-final-2018-draft-rankings-guide.291/
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/articles/maguas-2018-nhl-draft-guide.293/

 

[XX]

It's funny because in your first paragraph you're decrying anchoring Wahlstrom to Bossy and then in the second you acknowledge Brady's value is being inflated because of anchoring to his brother.

Trends come and go. I'm not saying it's a positive thing at all, and it's certainly not if the Coyotes "fall for it" and fail to make an objective assessment. I haven't really seen this staff do that yet so I'll wait until the pick is actually in before getting upset.

 

[SniperHF]

Old chat link, might wanna bookmark it now in case the site crashes Friday
HF Coyotes Draft Day Chat

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Old chat link, might wanna bookmark it now in case the site crashes Friday
HF Coyotes Draft Day Chat

Pin that suckah!

 

[cobra427]

Brady is over rated because of his name and his brothers play last year but Chayka won't fall for it. I see us taking Zadina/Hughes/Wahlstrom in that order based on who is available.

 

[TheLegend]

“With the 5th pick overall the Coyotes select Brady Tkac........”

*system crash*

 

[AZviaNJ]

Brady is over rated because of his name and his brothers play last year but Chayka won't fall for it. I see us taking Zadina/Hughes/Wahlstrom in that order based on who is available.

I'll be happy with whomever the Coyotes pick...…...I'll be happier if it's Zadina, Hughes or Wahlstrom.

 

[rt]

I just don't know how Chayka can go with another "projectable" prospect this high up in the Draft after what we've been through with Dylan Strome.

Are you referring to Tkachuk? They're kind of opposite. Strome was as productive as they get. He was just slow and unathletic. Brady has the inverse issues.

 

[rt]

I'll be happy with whomever the Coyotes pick...…...I'll be happier if it's Zadina, Hughes or Wahlstrom.

Hey! Those are my 3rd, 4th and 5th ranked players!

 

[RABBIT]

yep my short list is

Zadina
Wahlstrom
Hughes
Tkachuk
Dobson

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Are you referring to Tkachuk? They're kind of opposite. Strome was as productive as they get. He was just slow and unathletic. Brady has the inverse issues.

Sure, they're opposite style players - but the whole "projectable" thing, they share. They're tools-heavy players, and people extrapolate their futures from their tools rather than from their results.

 

[Summer Rose]

My order of preference for 5th pick at the rate this is going:

Filip Zadina
Oliver Wahlstrom
Noah Dobson
Quinn Hughes
Adam Boqvist
Brady Tkachuk

 

[rt]

Sure, they're opposite style players - but the whole "projectable" thing, they share. They're tools-heavy players, and people extrapolate their futures from their tools rather than from their results.

I disagree. Strome's results were historically strong. He was tall but weak and slow. It was the production that drove everyone wild about him. His production was as good as most first overall picks. I'm not talking about being stylistically opposite.