mattihp
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Absolutely nothing! But i like my cereal with milk, not more cereal. I like my toast with butter and cheese, not two more plain pieces of toast
NHL cautiously optimistic about 2021 World Cup.
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Thedogo
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Fair enough.Absolutely nothing! But i like my cereal with milk, not more cereal. I like my toast with butter and cheese, not two more plain pieces of toast
jj cale
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This made me both laugh and get pissed off at the same time, I could hardly believe what I was reading.
You do realize that Canada has also produced the greatest and most skilled players in the world right? And it's not like players from the U.S are all just 3rd line grinders. You make it sound like players from over here were all just a bunch of knuckle draggers until the oh so skilled European players came and showed us the way, what an arrogant and bullshit take if you really believe that.
So I have to ask you, was that really a serious post? I am sure it just couldn't have been because if it is it is one of the worst posts I have ever seen here, and we all know how high a bar that is.
And one more thing, none of Sweden,Russia,Finland, etc need or require IIHF money to have produced those players, then or now.
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Jussi
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Those nonsense tournaments fund in addition hockey development, all those lower level tournaments that don't bring any money. Majority of the revenue goes to the host country any way. Finnish hockey development wouldn't be where it is now if not for using the 10+ million € profit from the 2012 and 2013 tournaments to fund regional skills coaches throughout the country.
In the 80s and 90s the european players were more skilled than NA-Players in average. This has been changed since the millenium.
jj cale
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In 80/90s NA-Hockey was more physical and fighting hockeystyle(Not all of course). The european players had for example a better stickhandling.
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jj cale
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mattihp
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Different ways of looking at the game makes it better. You need both sides to make the best hockey in the world. Without european players the NHL would still have the best players in the world, but the game there would be more Gordie Howe than Connor McDavid.
Nothing wrong with that. But without the world champs the talent pool would be smaller and many of the players (NA and Europe) would never play hockey because it would be a different game at that level.
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Actually, Soviet league teams beat NHL teams consistently. Not just CSKA but also Dynamo, Riga etc.
Here you can check this out: Super Series - Wikipedia
What comes to world cup.. No one wants world cup. We want olympics with NHL players please.
Rcknrollkillnmachine
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I don't think there was that much excitement in Finland for the 2016 tournament although being roundly beaten and finishing bottom with Marjamäki at the helm didn't help.
Myself it's not a suitable title in 'World Cup tournament' sense when you have just NHL-ers and 'Team Europe' and 'Team North America'; just rename it to something else.
I'd still follow it to see how Finland progress but if/when they are eliminated I would lose interest. I find the IIHF World Championship of Hockey more credible and intriguing to watch with folks guessing who will come over from North America to play and to see European based players pitting themselves against NHL-ers.
Just my opinion.
Myself it's not a suitable title in 'World Cup tournament' sense when you have just NHL-ers and 'Team Europe' and 'Team North America'; just rename it to something else.
I'd still follow it to see how Finland progress but if/when they are eliminated I would lose interest. I find the IIHF World Championship of Hockey more credible and intriguing to watch with folks guessing who will come over from North America to play and to see European based players pitting themselves against NHL-ers.
Just my opinion.
jj cale
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Soviet teams did well but it was also a top heavy league in concentration in talent and of course they always sent their best teams and when they sent their national teams to play nhl club teams well(and cska also was basicially that also), read into their win record there as you should.Also,they are just one country in europe too.
As for the world cup, of course it is not true that NO ONE wants the world cup, please don't make such a sweeping exaggerated comment that is patently false.
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Jussi
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Speaking mostly about Finland, our 60's and 70's born center position talent all spent their youth playing on outdoor rinks or natural ice or parking lots instead of complaining online. They had countless hours of outside organized team sport training, not just in hockey but football as well, which helped develop their "ball sport IQ".
jj cale
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Playing outdoors on natural ice is a huge factor in developing talent, it is a sad thing to have seen it's decline in Canada. It used to be you played 20 times more on outside sheets then the time you spent in the arenas and it payed off big time in skating and stick handling skills and plus(and this can't be underestimated) cemented your love and passion for the game itself.
OK, let's see... Eight teams, two groups of four...
Day 1: group draw
Day 2: Group Game Day 1
Day 3: Group Game Day 2
Day 4: rest day
Day 5: Group Game Day 3
Day 6: Semifinals
Day 7: rest day
Day 8: Final and Third-Place Game
Day 9: rest day
Overall, a nine-day All-Star Break. Quite workable.
Also, you can have several Tiers, eight teams in each. If you win your Tier, you advance to the higher one. If you finish last in your Tier (we can have last-place group finishers play a Relegation Game on, say, Day 7), you get relegated to the lower one. That way, we won't have to argue all the time what two teams are worthy enough to join the Big Six.
Day 1: group draw
Day 2: Group Game Day 1
Day 3: Group Game Day 2
Day 4: rest day
Day 5: Group Game Day 3
Day 6: Semifinals
Day 7: rest day
Day 8: Final and Third-Place Game
Day 9: rest day
Overall, a nine-day All-Star Break. Quite workable.
Also, you can have several Tiers, eight teams in each. If you win your Tier, you advance to the higher one. If you finish last in your Tier (we can have last-place group finishers play a Relegation Game on, say, Day 7), you get relegated to the lower one. That way, we won't have to argue all the time what two teams are worthy enough to join the Big Six.
Well, I doubt that the career of Salming was depending on the World Championship. Are you even serious about this?
I do know that they fund hockey development on lower level but it is still a nonsense tournament in sporting terms. And it is not like hockey would die without it.
I want Olympics AND World Cup. Olympics with 12 teams and a World Cup with 6 teams played every fourth year. Easy.
Yes but how good would the chances by NHL Teams outside their common ring((80/90s)? In Soviet union? Chanceless!
mattihp
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European junior hockey is dependant of money from the federations. The national federations' primary income is the world champs. A kid from a single parent family (after the passing of Börje's dad) from the woods outside of Kiruna would never have seen a pair of ice skated without the world champs.
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Jussi
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Over 120 NHL players in this year's tournament, a new record (I don't know what the exact number ended up as), and that's with the CHAMPIONS FINLAND having no NHL players. That's very likely to change next year. The quality of players taking part keep going up each year.
jj cale
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Chanceless? how so?
They won that summit series in 72 basically on their home ice.
Hasn't the big ice/on foreign soil myth died by this time in 2019 knowing what we actually know with Canada winning many times over there?
The level has been raised occassionally but it can never be compared to a true best-vs-best tournament.
Jussi
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Well the 2004 World Cup tournament was shit in quality despite the names on the jerseys.
mattihp
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Sorry we spaek about the 70/80/90s. Since millenium NA has a new development.
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