NHL Break Thread

[statswatcher]

nationalism is stupid. having genuine emotional attachment to your country's flag or theme song is silly sentimentalism at best, and at worst has caused many of the most destructive and heinous acts to have ever been committed in human history.

 

[Pez68]

nationalism is stupid. having genuine emotional attachment to your country's flag or theme song is silly sentimentalism at best, and at worst has caused many of the most destructive and heinous acts to have ever been committed in human history.

Agreed. It really has no place in the world during peacetime. War is an entirely different matter.

 

[pvr]

My apologies to all the Americans that had to listen to their Anthem get booed again by some morons in Montreal. French Canadians are famous for this. They give the whole country a black eye.

They don't have to take their dislike of the current politics in our 2 countries and turn that into booing the Anthem. (Especially when they were warned not to right before the Anthem) Whenever someone protests the Anthem or the Military, I remind them to go watch the 1st 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. A lot of Soldiers got their heads shot off for that Anthem. Don't F'in Boo it! But you can't fix stupid...

Hopefully our 2 teams play in the finals.

Canadians were in on D Day too…perhaps suffered more. All of us would no doubt stand together if such circumstances occurred again.

 

[Pez68]

I would love to see USA/Canada on Thursday, but seeing Binnington shit the bed tomorrow would probably be even more pleasurable.

 

[Wally1112pac]

I would love to see USA/Canada on Thursday, but seeing Binnington shit the bed tomorrow would probably be even more pleasurable.

He needs to be shot into the sun. He's had 2 starts and let in 3 weak goals so far.

They need to start Logan Thompson. He's 24-2 with a .921 sp. Oh wait...

 

[statswatcher]

Agreed. It really has no place in the world during peacetime. War is an entirely different matter.

"The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori."

 

[Putt Pirate]

I am hoping for a Finland win tomorrow not gonna lie.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Canadians were in on D Day too…perhaps suffered more. All of us would no doubt stand together if such circumstances occurred again.

Not true in the slightest. Omaha by all accounts was the worst beach and had the bloodiest fighting

 

[emeyezee]

I don’t really care about the booing. I would be surprised if TD Garden didn’t retaliate in boo-gate. Regardless of who boos who, I still want to beat the crap out of Canada

 

[pvr]

Not true in the slightest. Omaha by all accounts was the worst beach and had the bloodiest fighting

Let’s not make this a competition. On Juno beach the Canadians made the first assault. Suffered heavily. Just like all of the soldiers there.

Going to Normandy, and hearing the stories and seeing the beaches and land, is a profound experience. We owe all a huge debt of gratitude.

 

[Crow]

It’s fine that your initial response is to be offended, or to get angry. That is human nature. That is the point of the protest to begin with. But the hope is, after that initial feeling has subsided, you take the time to think about the reason for it. Not abstractly, or as political policies that you may or may not agree with. But as a person able to empathize with those of a vastly smaller country right across the border. Who has been nothing but a good neighbour and friend. Who has come to your aid in war. Who has been your largest and most important trading partner. And who has, literally out of nowhere, become the target of the leader of your country through no fault of their own. Who has been threatened with annexation and tariffs that would sink the economy. I suspect that if you were in that situation, your view on booing the national anthem might be a little different

I don’t think I’d ever disrespect an entire country and its history by booing their anthem due to recent politics of what is barely a majority, and is likely a minority on this issue. I don’t think it’s appropriate or serves a purpose effectively. If I want to spark debate or change, I don’t start with a misdirected insult.

Even though I 100% agree with the Canadians side and I’m already on it, I don’t feel it’s an appropriate response to boo a countries anthem. It shows me that a lot of Canadians don’t seem to give a shit about our history as nations, our mutually prosperous trade agreements or our alliance either. They’ve lumped us all together by booing our anthem. No doubt many Americans will feel less sympathetic toward Canada now, if they were nationalistic enough to be swayed and many are. Nationalism in both countries is among the highest in the world last time I checked.

Those who were in support of Canada might not care enough to be bothered. Those who didn’t care or take trump seriously before on this issue might be slightly leaning on his side now.

If it was an Olympic event instead of an NHL one it would be much worse. I dunno how much the story tracks as a four nations event (‘what’s that?’ people will say). I won’t be surprised if Canadian anthems start getting booed which will be even more disgraceful. Pretty soon both sides forget who started the tension or erroneously place blame.

 

[LavalPhantom]

Gotta say, impressed with the replies here. Kudos to all. Not easy to discuss this stuff without resorting to extremes.

We are better at discussing things like this than players and coaches haha

I mostly agree with you, but I don’t care too much about the French Canadian disrespect. We just don’t have the same attachment to our national anthem, so booing the American anthem wasn’t meant to be as disrespectful as it might have been received.

I was lucky enough to be present last night. I am not a “booer”, and didn’t make an exception last night, but for the first time ever I wasn’t pissed at the people who did. It’s usually dumb to boo a national anthem (but again, not as vile as perceived by Americans), but I could totally see a justification for it last night.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Let’s not make this a competition. On Juno beach the Canadians made the first assault. Suffered heavily. Just like all of the soldiers there.

Going to Normandy, and hearing the stories and seeing the beaches and land, is a profound experience. We owe all a huge debt of gratitude.

Omaha had the most defenders and had bad weather messing with the landings. Besides the point you can’t say that Canadians suffered more in D Day and then just back track the way you did about not making it a competition. It was terrible for all who were there

 

[Pez68]

Omaha had the most defenders and had bad weather messing with the landings. Besides the point you can’t say that Canadians suffered more in D Day and then just back track the way you did about not making it a competition. It was terrible for all who were there

Canadians were in on D Day too…perhaps suffered more.

Did you just miss the "perhaps"? It wasn't a definitive statement.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Did you just miss the "perhaps"? It wasn't a definitive statement.

Implying that they could have suffered more than the other nations participating in D Day was an assine statement to begin with. Almost as assine as when you pretended Belarus is not a Russian puppet state back in the Levshunov vs Demidov thread a year back.

 

[Chelios]

I mostly agree with you, but I don’t care too much about the French Canadian disrespect.

My only reference to French Canadians was in response to another poster on the subject. I was merely pointing out that the response to the anthem would have been the same across the country in this situation.

 

[Chelios]

I don’t think I’d ever disrespect an entire country and its history by booing their anthem due to recent politics of what is barely a majority, and is likely a minority on this issue. I don’t think it’s appropriate or serves a purpose effectively. If I want to spark debate or change, I don’t start with a misdirected insult.

Look, I am sure if there was a “Republican” national anthem it would have been booed and the “Democrat” one likely wouldn’t. But unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. Like it or not, Trump now represents your entire country in international relations. Tariffs are applied to good entering the entire country, not just red states. The person making these statements is the president of the United States of America, not the confederacy. Again I say, if you are 100% on the Canadian side of this dispute I hope you are making it known to your elected representative.

 

[LavalPhantom]

My only reference to French Canadians was in response to another poster on the subject. I was merely pointing out that the response to the anthem would have been the same across the country in this situation.

Sorry, I was not talking about your posts, but others in this thread.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If the leader of a country mocks the sovereignty of another nation several times a week I wouldn't expect the offended country to respond well to the anthem of the offending country. And that's before you add in the layer of nationalism expected when it's literally team country versus team country.

Like it's the one place the anthem(s) in sports actually makes sense. It takes sports tribalism and ups it with a jingoistic steroid.

People are gonna feel some things.

 

[GIADF]

Is there any possible way to watch a delayed recording via the HBO Max app? Fubo is my live streaming go to, but they don't carry HBO/TNT/Tru so I was wondering if there is any workaround to be able to watch a delayed recording of Canada/Finland.

I can't think of any options to make that work, but was hoping maybe someone here had an option I hadn't considered...?

 

[MHO]

I've seen Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, and Team America multiple times through. If a country wants to boo our national anthem, I guess I keep moving on with my day.

 

[Pez68]

Implying that they could have suffered more than the other nations participating in D Day was an assine statement to begin with. Almost as assine as when you pretended Belarus is not a Russian puppet state back in the Levshunov vs Demidov thread a year back.

When did I ever pretend that? lmao

 

[x Tame Impala]

Finally watched the recorded game last night.

-The opening 9 seconds was awesome
-I have a whole new level of appreciation for Hanifin, Morrissey, and Slavin in particular but it's cool seeing all these guys put their talent on display for both teams.
-Matthews was interesting to watch as I was really expecting more offensive output from him that game but he's a solidly responsibly defensive C. He uses that big frame of his well
-The US in general is bringing a ton of size and toughness on the ice
-Binnington wasn't terrible aside from that Guentzel goal but it's clear Canada is really missing a Price/Luongo level guy whereas Hellebuyuck (I can never remember how to spell his name) has been a total stud.

-Canada in general has never looked weaker IMO. Comparing the 2010 and 2014 squad to this roster...

McDavid, 37 y/o Crosby, MacKinnon, 36 y/o Marchand, Konecky, Marner, Point, Stone, Bennet, Jarvis, Cirelli, Hagel, and Reinhart

Makar, Morrissey, Parayako, old Doughty, Sanheim, Theodore, Toews

Binnington, Hill

...it's a notable dropoff. Lots of very good players but not to those murder squads Canada used to ice. Meanwhile the Americans are looking much better compared to what they were bringing in 2014.

With that said it was still a tight game aside from that bad change Canada had that led to Larkin's goal. Who knows what happens otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised to see Canada kick the crap out of Finland and even beat the US in the Championship game. Glad to see the Americans rolling like this though. Hopefully it translates to a gold next year.

ALSO I forgot where I saw this comment but someone said watching this tournament that Bedard would be totally out of place in games like this. I think that's complete crap, I think he'd be Canada's 4th best forward and would be a threat out there at all times in the offensive zone. Especially the powerplay.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Finns with pathetic start

2-0 Canada and Finns have nothing going

3-0 Canada

Lankinen is terrible, Finns are terrible

 

[Chelios]

Finns with pathetic start

2-0 Canada and Finns have nothing going

3-0 Canada

Lankinen is terrible, Finns are terrible

I mean, they weren’t exactly soft goals. But I know negativity is your schtick