NHL Board of Governors to approve opening of expansion process; Atlanta and Houston believed to be leading candidates

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teravaineSAROS

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People arguing talent dilution when hockey is the second-most played sport of the big-5 in the world

More countries play hockey than basketball, baseball, and American football combined

Just admit you dont know shit if youre arguing talent dilution lol

100%. There are so many decent players (not superstars obviously) in Europe/KHL and probably in the AHL aswell who could find a role in the NHL.

Everytime we have an expansion somebody like William Karlsson or McCann suddenly gets an opportunity to emerge.

Also with the potential talent dilution the superstars will end up standing out even more. I thought fans enjoyed the increase in scoring but now it's sudddenly a problem because people just feel the need to be negative?
 
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The Gr8 Dane

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100%. There are so many decent players (not superstars obviously) in Europe/KHL and probably in the AHL aswell who could find a role in the NHL.

Everytime we have an expansion somebody like William Karlsson or McCann suddenly gets an opportunity to emerge.

Also with the potential talent dilution the superstars will end up standing out even more. I thought fans enjoyed the increase in scoring but now it's sudddenly a problem because people just feel the need to be negative?
Not everybody enjoys the inflated increased scoring. And not everyone wants a watered down league. Some of us enjoy watching the cream of the crop compete against eachother. So you can understand why people don't want 50ish non NHLers joining the league
 

dj4aces

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They got the Rangers to accept the Islanders and Devils. Crazy to me that the Leafs would be capable of blocking this.
They convinced the Rangers to accept the Isles, with indemnification, because the WHA was viewed as a threat.

As for the Rangers (and Isles, and Flyers) accepting the Devils, it took years of negotiation between the four organizations before something was finally settled and the Rockies were able to move east. Again, indemnification. The Devils paid out a hefty sum.

Considering how valuable the Leafs media market is, it won't be cheap. Rest assured, MLSE will want every penny they feel they deserve.
 

Tawnos

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They got the Rangers to accept the Islanders and Devils. Crazy to me that the Leafs would be capable of blocking this.

I don’t really see how decisions 40-50 years ago are relevant, TBH. The Leafs are a $3B company that brings $300m revenue in each year. The economics are different.
 

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I can't believe Atlanta is any serious discussion. I say go to KC before giving Atlanta a chance at a 3rd failure.

Houston makes a bit of sense. Wonder if you could make somewhere like Boise, ID work to try to capitalize on the rocky mountain region?
Denver and Salt Lake City have that region covered. Don't think Boise is big enough. It's metropolitan area is about 750,000 people.
 

njdevils1982

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They convinced the Rangers to accept the Isles, with indemnification, because the WHA was viewed as a threat.

As for the Rangers (and Isles, and Flyers) accepting the Devils, it took years of negotiation between the four organizations before something was finally settled and the Rockies were able to move east. Again, indemnification. The Devils paid out a hefty sum.

Considering how valuable the Leafs media market is, it won't be cheap. Rest assured, MLSE will want every penny they feel they deserve.

yep. the devils paid 12.5M to the rangers, islanders and flyers... (40.8M in 2024 dollars)
 

dj4aces

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Denver and Salt Lake City have that region covered. Don't think Boise is big enough. It's metropolitan area is about 750,000 people.
While I agree that Boise is small and covered by Utah and Colorado, Boise is growing at a pretty decent clip. It's population went up by over 100k (616k -> 764k) between 2010 and 2020, and is estimated to have increased by another 100k (to 865k) in just the four years since.

If this growth continues (and let's be honest here, most of that growth is folks from California -- and most of that from LA) and they can get companies to move their regional HQs to the area, they could be competing for a team in ten years or so.
 

Clint Eastwood

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I don't think the talent will be diluted or anything like that. It's not right now and 2 more teams won't make the difference

but I feel like this will lead to the NHL eventually adding a play-in round for the playoffs which . . . :thumbd:
 

hockey20000

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coming from a sens fan is crazy you guys make the league no money whatsoever , only arizona generate less revenue than you and they have just ceased to exist
coming from a montreal fan whos fans usually got the biggest egos in the league mind your own buisness lol
 

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Exclusively, no. But the driving force is absolutely the billion dollar checks new owners are cutting to join the club. That’s Ponzi Scheme 101. The Yotes weren’t worth 1.2b until that was the cost to sit at the table.

A new TV contract would expand the reach of the league. Better marketing would expand the reach of the league. Expansion is an addition, but it’s not a free lunch. That it’s some panacea for growing the league is a myth, and a healthy league should have a limit to the number of teams in it. The NHL is a business, but if it buys into the scam and forgets itself as a hockey league, the hockey fans will suffer.
It's not a Ponzi Scheme when you're generating revenue and making money. Houston and Atlanta are going to have butts in seats. There's tangible output there. You're misusing "Ponzi Scheme" like a highschooler on Reddit. The NHL is expecting ATL and HOU to do well, they're not setting up them up to fail or just taking their money and hoping for the best. They're major metro areas with lots of revenue potential.

I'd argue that putting a team in Quebec would be much more ponzi-esque, personally. If they had some guy there willing to fork over the fee$ and accepted it knowing that the market most likely won't do well due to lack of corporate sponsorship. Just taking his money and not caring about the results.
 

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Might as well shorten the draft to four rounds too…because late firsts and beyond are going to be worth jack shit. 35th overall, while technically still a first, is just a crapshoot at that point.

They’ll only stop expansion when the league hits 83 teams and the regular season consists of playing the other 82 teams once each. Playoff will be expanded to 64 - no 68! teams - and will resemble the NCAA basketball tourney. Single elimination for the first two rounds. Then two rounds of best of five. Then two rounds of best of seven!
 

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I don't think the talent will be diluted or anything like that. It's not right now and 2 more teams won't make the difference

but I feel like this will lead to the NHL eventually adding a play-in round for the playoffs which . . . :thumbd:
They'll have to. Having a league of 34-36 teams where less than half make the playoffs is a bad sell. It'll probably something like 1-6 seeds are guaranteed their spots and then there's a single elim round or mini-tourney between the 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, & 12 seeds from each conference. The 1-6 seeds get a week of rest and then the normal playoffs start (and the SCF ends at the end of June :laugh: )
 

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