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NHL Board of Governors to approve opening of expansion process; Atlanta and Houston believed to be leading candidates
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There's no real team/market that this argument makes sense for. The Coyotes already moved to Utah. Nobody else is in a market where relocation is a reasonable option.
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LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
The NHL is the least popular and money-earning league of the Big 4 and yet they'll have the most teams. How does that make sense?
Gnashville
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They locked their expansion price in at $500 million and will expand there if they pay the expansion fee.
Because they're a gate-driven league and more gates means more revenue opportunities. Not very difficult.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
Except many teams are selling tickets for low prices and quite a few teams can't sell out their home games. It's not like every ticket sold is at MSG where they charge an arm and a leg and still get sold out...
So? Selling out leaguewide at some arbitrary high price isn't the benchmark for doing expansion. The league doesn't and never has had to have such a thing to have expansion happen and work. Arizona was in shambles the entire time that Vegas and Seattle came into the league and their inclusion hasn't made anything worse for anyone. There are no teams that makes any sense to worry about resolving some issue with relocation currently. Even if there was, it doesn't have to be resolved for expansion to happen and be fine.
There aren't any good reasons against expansion. It's just people wanting to gatekeep coming up with stupid reasons.
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GTA and Hamilton have barriers that Atlanta doesn't: The Leafs (and Sabres). That significant barrier would've been a whole lot easier to overcome in the 80s or 90s, but at that time, the league didn't want Hamilton either. Whether or not a GTA team would work is a question I can't answer.
I'm old enough to remember reading people say the same about 21. Whether 21 was or 32 is or isn't is a matter of opinion, not fact. At this point, it sounds like the league disagrees with everyone making this argument.
No... the Thrashers were never really a success in its entire time here. If you're going to have a team in an area no one wants to go, the team has to be worth the price of admission. That lack of success and poor choice to put them downtown was already two strikes against them.
This particular argument is indicative of an entirely different problem: Marketing. Even today, the league depends on teams doing all the legwork when it comes to marketing its stars, while other leagues seem to have little problem marketing theirs.
Diluting the talent pool is a good reason to not do it.
Slats432
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Because it is the only league that has 7 Canadian teams. It has the fewest US teams.
ItWasJustified
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Because hockey is by far the least popular sport in the US. In Canada it's the other way around.
Slats432
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Your response has nothing to do with the statement or the response. The NHL if it was in every large US market would have the most amount of teams because it is the only one that has 7 Canadian teams. Popularity has nothing to do with the point.
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It doesn't for fans. For the owners it does because they get taxpayers to subsidize a new arena that they then own. And the league has a hard cap and revenue sharing.
Also for the existing owners, they'll get 20+ million each from franchise fees that they don't have to share with players.
Great so I get to lose 4 more good young players from my team in expansion drafts? Where do I sign up!
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It would be if it was something that could be legitimately proven to be happening and that it was bringing a negative effect to the sport. That doesn't actually happen though. The initial assumption of having extra NHL'ers that weren't there previously diluting the talent has never panned out in all the times it's been done.
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I’m sorry what, I refuse to believe anyone thought 21 was the perfect number of teams. Odd, not a base 2 , it’s possibly the worst number I can think of.
Call it what you want, a second team here is long overdue.
If you don't think a team in, say, Oakville or Hamilton, would be more of a draw than Thrashers 3.0, then I'm not sure what else to tell you.
As others have mentioned, sure the Leafs might raise an issue but maybe that's why Bell just backed out of the team ownership arrangement they had with Rogers. Maybe soon there will be talk of a Bell-owned franchise popping up elsewhere in Canada, perhaps even nearby.
The Isles and Rangers arenas are 14 miles apart.
It can be done.
When this issue comes up, I find that Canadian media and fans really overestimate the size of Toronto and the GTA.
Yes, it’s a big city. But it’s a big city similar to Chicago and Houston.
It’s not New York.
The New York metro population is over 3 times the size of the GTA, as is the city proper.
I don’t know why the people in Toronto compare themselves to New York. It’s not New York.
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895
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If you had said 6, 12 or 24 or 30 sure.
It’s very hard to believe anyone thought 21 was the perfect number to stop at.
I want more stars, not another 2 teams worth of AHL talent brought into the NHL. If you like a lower overall talent level, that's fine.
DitchMarner
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If NHL hockey in Atlanta didn't work the first two times, why would it now?
That's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.
That's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.
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