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Malaka

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A team built so smartly its D and G have been major problem

There #1 goalie has a .899 sv pct
I’m on the fence about it, they obviously didn’t hit with Newhook, couldn’t keep Kadri, and Kuemper was mediocre too. I think they were managed well in prioritizing needs and plugging up holes. The Johansen signing was a misstep I’ll say(as well as ROR for Zadorov+?) but I can’t think of anything they have missed big on

Annunen was always in the pipe and Georgie a stopgap. In today’s nhl of 1A and 1B starters, I think you can get by with a mediocre goalie IF you have the D.

Really though I don’t think much of mittlestadt at 2C. Byram if healthy is the superior player, I hope he reaches his potential on Buffalo. It’s a bit of a different direction they’re going and Byram is more cost controlled
 
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I’m on the fence about it, they obviously didn’t hit with Newhook, couldn’t keep Kadri, and Kuemper was mediocre too. I think they were managed well in prioritizing needs and plugging up holes. The Johansen signing was a misstep I’ll say(as well as ROR for Zadorov+?) but I can’t think of anything they have missed big on
The ROR is way in the past. Thats when Roy was still there.
 

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The ROR is way in the past. Thats when Roy was still there.
Hear you, still sakic was running the show and core was drafted/in place but that was an L. The mittlestadt need probably says a bit about losing landeskog and not being a part of the plan with being injured
 
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I’m on the fence about it, they obviously didn’t hit with Newhook, couldn’t keep Kadri, and Kuemper was mediocre too. I think they were managed well in prioritizing needs and plugging up holes. The Johansen signing was a misstep I’ll say(as well as ROR for Zadorov+?) but I can’t think of anything they have missed big on

Annunen was always in the pipe and Georgie a stopgap. In today’s nhl of 1A and 1B starters, I think you can get by with a mediocre goalie IF you have the D.

Really though I don’t think much of mittlestadt at 2C. Byram if healthy is the superior player, I hope he reaches his potential on Buffalo. It’s a bit of a different direction they’re going and Byram is more cost controlled
One thing is for certain in my mind: "Sabres have built themselves a solid back end". That's a pretty good way to be a contender soon.
 

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Byram is a huge risk so it seems like an even trade or favoring Colorado to me. I hate to say it but I wouldn’t trade much for him considering that. I hope it works out for the kid but I have huge doubts about his future as an NHLer.

I had the same doubts about Dach and now our other Dach. Some very talented players just aren’t talented at keeping themselves in the game. I don’t think these are pure luck injuries. I remember Kirby having some pretty poor awareness. Who trucked him again - some bum from our shit team?

I hope I’m wrong about all of these guys.
 
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Byram is a huge risk so it seems like an even trade or favoring Colorado to me. I hate to say it but I wouldn’t trade much for him considering that. I hope it works out for the kid but I have huge doubts about his future as an NHLer.

I had the same doubts about Dach and now our other Dach. Some very talented players just aren’t talented at keeping themselves in the game. I don’t think these are pure luck injuries. I remember Kirby having some pretty poor awareness. Who trucked him again - some bum from our shit team?

I hope I’m wrong about all of these guys.
It's so weird to me that some players simply can't stay healthy and others seem to be made of steel. Let's hope Colton Dach's injury woes are behind him and he goes on to have a successful NHL career. I think he has the potential to become a shoot-first power forward in Chicago.

As for Byram, I reviewed his injury history, and it doesn't seem to be that bad. No upper body injuries since 2021. A few lower body issues since. His recent absence was due to illness. I think Sabres stole this guy, personally.
 
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We majorly profited from this LTIR loophole in 2015 but I hope the league does something to amend this going forward. Kane had his clavicle broken in front of everyone to see and his recovery time lined up with the playoffs.

The solutions are iffy but all the cup winners shouldn’t be over the cap with LTIR.
 
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We majorly profited from this LTIR loophole in 2015 but I hope the league does something to amend this going forward. Kane had his clavicle broken in front of everyone to see and his recovery time lined up with the playoffs.

The solutions are iffy but all the cup winners shouldn’t be over the cap with LTIR.
All 32 teams are allowed to use it. Much easier to just use it as well…!
 

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On another note, pretty shocked at how far out the devils are even with the injuries to their blue line.

Says a lot about the expectations we should hold for our prospects when it comes time to stepping up. There will be growing pains even if everyone pans out

Gotta spend money to make money.
Just write it off
 

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On another note, pretty shocked at how far out the devils are even with the injuries to their blue line.

Says a lot about our expectations we should hold for our prospects when it comes time to stepping up. There will be growing pains even if everyone pans out


Just write it off
Devils got tanked by injuries and goaltending.
 
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On another note, pretty shocked at how far out the devils are even with the injuries to their blue line.

Says a lot about the expectations we should hold for our prospects when it comes time to stepping up. There will be growing pains even if everyone pans out


Just write it off
Dougie being out is a big loss for them. It's clear who the better Dman was/is between him and Jones when we were discussing both of them a couple years ago.
 
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We majorly profited from this LTIR loophole in 2015 but I hope the league does something to amend this going forward. Kane had his clavicle broken in front of everyone to see and his recovery time lined up with the playoffs.

The solutions are iffy but all the cup winners shouldn’t be over the cap with LTIR.

It's good for the league. They won't do anything about it.
 
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Malaka

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Devils got tanked by injuries and goaltending.
The goaltending is a whole thing in itself (their goalie coach rogalski is a hack, honestly I like schmid a lot) but even that is a symptom of the D and coaching/roster decisions -- they faced a sort of operations management failue and timing problem in losing graves/severson who were due for raises all while expecting luke hughes and nemec to step up, but yeah the wheels came off when Hamilton got injured.

They went from running a D corps of:

2022/23 (112 points, finished 3rd regular season)
Hamilton Siegenthaler
Graves Marino
Smith Severson

to a duct tape patchwork of


2023/24
(Hamilton) Bahl Marino
Siegenthaler Smith
Hughes Nemec

where Hughes and Nemec are playing up. Add to it Lindy Ruff's apparent miscoaching with Holtz and if it's fair to assume Meier that handcuffed them like so cap wise, and it's a bit of a tire fire.

What I'm really saying is if this were the hawks in year 4 or so of the rebuild when they're expected to begin to compete(2026/27?), there might be value in understanding the issues we might face similar to this. My takeaway is I think drafting D and building the back up is more of a priority at this point

Also now the devils sit at 10OA on tankathon, and I'm not really sure what their "need" is
 

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The goaltending is a whole thing in itself (their goalie coach rogalski is a hack, honestly I like schmid a lot) but even that is a symptom of the D and coaching/roster decisions -- they faced a sort of operations management failue and timing problem in losing graves/severson who were due for raises all while expecting luke hughes and nemec to step up, and the wheels came off when Hamilton got injured.

They went from running a D corps of:

2022/23 (112 points, finished 3rd regular season)
Hamilton Siegenthaler
Graves Marino
Smith Severson

to a duct tape patchwork of


2023/24
(Hamilton) Bahl Marino
Siegenthaler Smith
Hughes Nemec

where Hughes and Nemec are playing up. Add to it Lindy Ruff's apparent miscoaching with Holtz and if it's fair to assume Meier that handcuffed them like so, and it's a bit of a tire fire.

What I'm really saying is if this were the hawks in year 4 or so of the rebuild when they're expected to begin to compete(2026/27?), there might be value in understanding the issues we might face similar to this. My takeaway is I think drafting D and building the back up is more of a priority at this point
Schmid has all the tools but so do fifty other guys not in the NHL. Goalies are voodoo. They were like the 09 Blackhawks last year. They just outscored all their issues and attacked with so much speed and skill. It feels like they bought into their own hype this year and took their foot off the gas.
 

Malaka

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Schmid has all the tools but so do fifty other guys not in the NHL. Goalies are voodoo. They were like the 09 Blackhawks last year. They just outscored all their issues and attacked with so much speed and skill. It feels like they bought into their own hype this year and took their foot off the gas.
Goalies are voodoo until you have a witch doctor like Ian Clark on your staff

A side tangent but interesting idea is that some goalie directors/coaches of organizations prefer the prospects have no tools and raw physical talent where they can be molded toward a system and trained for that particular groups philosophy of technique, and then of course vice versa where the prospect has all the technical skills programmed but needs to be adapted to the NHL.

I don't know what's better honestly, but the fact is Rogalski hasn't done shit with anyone and for the most part goalies have gone the NJD to die -- since let's say Schneider. What I would pay to be a part of what seems to be the NHL boys club, it's gotta be easier at some degree than being a croney of the state or whoever does contracting of our highways here in chicago.

Rant aside I can see that and agree. I don't know what the answer may have been-- should have probably kept graves at least and expected Hamilton to get injured since he's aging.
 
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