Next years cap/roster
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I don't think you'll get Greig or Kleven on bridge deals at those numbers.
Greig will likely be looking for a Pinto type bridge (~3.5-4M) assuming he puts up 40-50 points, while Kleven is likely to also be around ~3M on a bridge if can play a solid 17-18 minutes a night all season this year.
I'm also skeptical of Ullmark at 7M. If he does what we hope in ~60 games, he's probably asking for closer to 8M.
If we want to keep everyone, including Giroux, it'll be do-able but pretty tight. I don't think we'll have $4.5M to spend in free-agency. Maybe around ~750k-1M.
Greig will likely be looking for a Pinto type bridge (~3.5-4M) assuming he puts up 40-50 points, while Kleven is likely to also be around ~3M on a bridge if can play a solid 17-18 minutes a night all season this year.
I'm also skeptical of Ullmark at 7M. If he does what we hope in ~60 games, he's probably asking for closer to 8M.
If we want to keep everyone, including Giroux, it'll be do-able but pretty tight. I don't think we'll have $4.5M to spend in free-agency. Maybe around ~750k-1M.
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Inf4mous0ne
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Not 100% if some of your assumptions are accurate, such as Ullmark signs at $7M (may need to be more like $8Mish to keep him here), Meri signs at $1M (and is ready), and that Yakemchuk is ready to stay.
That said, going with that premise, I think we may need to upgrade 2 out of our 3 4th liners to be good role players who can skate/defend/fight if needed. In addition, unless Kleven really proves himself, may want to try to upgrade his spot instead of investing $1.5M with someone more reliable and Kleven can be 7 D (or you sign someone else cheaper).
If those players prove themselves and not as much upgrading is needed there, perhaps we get a fringe top 6 player who can push Amadio down and play with Perron and Greig?
Proposed upgrades below:
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Norris - Pinto - Batherson
Perron - Greig - Amadio (New signing could go here and push down Amadio)
Ostapchuk/New signing - Halliday/New signing - Jenik/New signing
Mac Ewan
Sandy - Zub
Chabot - Jenson
New Signing - Yakemchuk
Kleven/New Signing
Ullmark
Merilainen
I do think this could be a competitive team with those upgrades, assuming they do well this season and get the experience of competing in/for the playoffs.
That said, going with that premise, I think we may need to upgrade 2 out of our 3 4th liners to be good role players who can skate/defend/fight if needed. In addition, unless Kleven really proves himself, may want to try to upgrade his spot instead of investing $1.5M with someone more reliable and Kleven can be 7 D (or you sign someone else cheaper).
If those players prove themselves and not as much upgrading is needed there, perhaps we get a fringe top 6 player who can push Amadio down and play with Perron and Greig?
Proposed upgrades below:
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Norris - Pinto - Batherson
Perron - Greig - Amadio (New signing could go here and push down Amadio)
Ostapchuk/New signing - Halliday/New signing - Jenik/New signing
Mac Ewan
Sandy - Zub
Chabot - Jenson
New Signing - Yakemchuk
Kleven/New Signing
Ullmark
Merilainen
I do think this could be a competitive team with those upgrades, assuming they do well this season and get the experience of competing in/for the playoffs.
Silky Johnson
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Fair enough. But if Greig outs up 50 and Kleven earns a 3M bridge then I think don't need much else, assuming nobody drops off significantly or is replaced by equal cap value players.
I won't be surprised if it takes $8 million aav for 8 years to sign Ullmark. The cap going up makes a deal that would've been $6.5-7 million aav go up.
I can see Greig putting up 40-50 points this season so he'll be in a position to negotiate a nice bridge
I can see Greig putting up 40-50 points this season so he'll be in a position to negotiate a nice bridge
Inf4mous0ne
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I'd be surprised about the 8 years. He is 31, are we (or any team) going to sign him for 8 years? I'd think $8M by 4 years is ideal, but that we'd maybe have to do 5-6 years to keep him here.
I just assume 8 years because I figure it's Ullmark's last chance at cashing in big time
I suspect he wants at least 6 years at $8M, preferably 8 years. I can see a team in the USA doing 8 X $8M to sign him (e.g., Buffalo) when he becomes a UFA next summer.
Ulmark 7M x 6
Giroux 5 x2
Greig 3 x 2
Klevin 1.25 x 1
JBD 900K x 1
Yak, Ostapchuk each under 1M
Fill in whatever else with dime a dozen guys.
Giroux 5 x2
Greig 3 x 2
Klevin 1.25 x 1
JBD 900K x 1
Yak, Ostapchuk each under 1M
Fill in whatever else with dime a dozen guys.
I'd offer an additional year to Giroux if he goes down to $4 million aav. I'd love it if Ullmark took $7 million aav for 6 years.
Kleven has to have a helluva a rookie year to get more than JBD (who is currently better than Kleven).
Hoping Sogaard can be a back up next year so we don't have Forsberg's $2 million on the books (unless Ullmark expresses wanting to keep Forsberg there)
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We'll need to add a significant forward IMO. Giroux and Perron will be 37 y/o, Norris health is so uncertain and it will take a bit of time before we have full faith in it. Amadio should maybe be your 9th-10th forward at best.
Hopefully we can find another Giroux, or at least a Tarasenko stop gap until we can "manufacture" another building block forward.
Hopefully we can find another Giroux, or at least a Tarasenko stop gap until we can "manufacture" another building block forward.
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You might be close on Greig but Kleven at $1.5M is realistic. He would have to absolutely blow the doors off to command 3. He will be playing 14-16 minutes a night on the third pair and isn't going to put up points and will have just cemented himself as a full time NHLer this season, maybe. Only way he makes upwards of 3 is if Chabot gets injured and Kleven proves himself as a serviceable top 4 D this year, even then.
Merilainen is not a back up option next year. Sogaard more likely, I know people are down on him but no reason to write him off, he is still very much in the mix.
If we have $4M in cap space we should be looking to upgrade our top 6 and plan for Giroux to slide onto the third line.
We should all take note that for the first time in forever we are not wracking our brains on improving our D.
Silky Johnson
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If Ulmark takes 8M and Greig takes 3.5M that leaves around 2.5 only.
I don't think we are getting an impact top 5 forward for less then 6.
Thar pretty much means not signing Giroux or dealing Perron...
Either of which may be problematic, depending on hownthe season goes.
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Let's hope Halliday is the real deal and can be a legit top 6 guy for us in a year or so.
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The Pinto deal to compare to Greig is the one he was negotiating last year prior to the gambling suspension. There are multiple players more productive than Greig should be who signed 2.XX x 2 type bridge deals.
I don't think he is likely to put up 50 points with his role. I could see him in that 30 point territory again. He will either sign a cheap 1 year deal to bridge him to arbitration, or a 2 x 2.5M type deal.
Kleven will be a 10.2(c) RFA with only one full season under his belt. I could see 3M if it is a longer 3-4 year type deal, but on a bridge deal I think he gets somewhere in the 1.75M-2.5M type range. Defensemen don't seem to command big bridge deals. Schneider signed for just above 2 in New York, with multiple seasons of NHL experience. Even someone like Evan Bouchard only got 3.9M x 2 on his bridge deal. Marrio Ferrero got 3.XX x 4 playing big minutes on a bad team. I just don't see a 17 minute defensive defenseman with one season and no leverage getting much, unless the Senators get term and also want to gamble on term.
frightenedinmatenum2
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We have about 17M with a 92.4M cap. That is with 13 players assigned to the team. Our only major contract due is Claude Giroux. Let's assume he takes similar money, that leaves the Senators with 10.5M to fill 9 spots. I think that Greig and Kleven will combine for about 4.5M. That leaves the team 6M to fill 7 spots (857k per spot). If Giroux takes a bit of a discount, let's say 5M instead of 6.5M, that would leave them with 7.5M to fill 7 spots (1.07M per spot). Either way, it's doable.
I don't think JBD gets qualified. He was scratched for the home opener, and if I recall his name was out there previously. It doesn't seem like he's made the cut so to speak. Qualifying him means he can go to arbitration and get a settlement that the Senators will not be able to walk away from.
It also wouldn't surprise me if their big move next season is to try and find a Chychrun for Jensen type trade to move Chabot. AKA, they don't get anything sexy back, but they move a star player for a piece that fits better.
I don't think JBD gets qualified. He was scratched for the home opener, and if I recall his name was out there previously. It doesn't seem like he's made the cut so to speak. Qualifying him means he can go to arbitration and get a settlement that the Senators will not be able to walk away from.
It also wouldn't surprise me if their big move next season is to try and find a Chychrun for Jensen type trade to move Chabot. AKA, they don't get anything sexy back, but they move a star player for a piece that fits better.
