Next Year’s Lineup

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Sounds like we're going to run it back with the "core 4". That said, there were a lot of additions and things I really liked about this team. So maybe scorched earth isn't the answer...despite how I may have felt Monday night. We lost our Captain and a heck of a hockey player all series, we only had Foligno for half the series (and likely playing hurt the other games, hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure we wish we kept our first rounder), and we lost Muzzin right at the end too. All of that mixed with our stars not looking like our stars (save for Nylander). That's a lot for a team to try and overcome. All that said, here's what I'd do for lines next season.

Sign:
Blake Coleman (great add regardless, even more so if we lose Hyman...and Im pretty sure he'll be had cheaper. Try and sell him on the idea of playing with Matthews and Marner)
Brock McGinn (another hard working winger to help cushion the blow of Hyman walking away)

Re-sign:
Spezza (great guy all around, will be had for league minimum)
Bogosian (perfect third pairing guy, shouldn't cost much, give him a few years of term)
Galchenyuk (should want the opportunity to play with high skilled players for longer. Didn't light it up so shouldn't see much of a raise on his 1.05mil he earned this year. Give him 2 years. He may want the security...and it could pay off for us if he regains 20+ goal form)
Simmonds (won't require much. Great emotional leader imo, likely takes less than the 1.5mil he made this year. Don't think there will be a crazy market for him).
Rittich (familiar with the team now, won't get starting job offers, gets to be 1B and see a decent amount of starts behind a first time starter in Campbell)

Additions from within:
Robertson, Brooks

Gone to Seattle: Mikheyev. If they want Kerfoot, you add a late round pick as a sweetner to Mikheyev to protect him. He showed his value big time as a guy who was on PP2, the PK, and most importantly able to jump up and play well in Tavares absence. This isn't Mikheyev hate at all, just Kerfoot is far more valuable to us. Chips in more offensively, plays a more "annoying game", and all the way around made a fan out of me in these playoffs.

Coleman-Matthews-Marner
Gives this line the Hyman type. Except he plays even nastier, and in my opinion is faster as well from the eye test
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Hey, it seemed to work. Maybe give it an even longer run. Galchenyuk did a great job being the forechecker for this line, and just might find his scoring touch again and add 20 over the course of a season
Robertson-Kerfoot-McGinn
This line can play with high speed, score goals, and would just be annoying all the way around

Brooks-Spezza-Simmonds
We never really saw Spezza-Simmonds unless it was with Thornton. I thought Spezza and Simmonds both looked faster than they're given credit for. Brooks really helped out Thornton and Spezza..should be even easier to add speed to a Spezza-Simmonds combo. I like the idea of keeping a tough guy around, I don't think we can subtract from that area.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Bogosian

You completely run it back on the backend. I don't think defence was our issue at all. Infact I thought it was much improved from past years. I think Sandin needs to be given a full season of rope to get his hiccups out, and the franchise likely believes in Sandin's upside over Dermott's. Be sad to see Dermott go, but that's the business. Engvall can find a new home elsewhere too for some draft picks or whatever we can get.

Campbell
Rittich

Not much to explain here. Campbell, former #11 overall pick finally gets his chance to prepare for a year like a starter. Rittich is a reliable 1B option

*Sad to see Hyman go. What a warrior. But business is business. And if he wants over 5 million, I don't blame him. We just can't afford it here if we're running it back with the core 4. Coleman + McGinn likely cost around 6-7 combined. I think that's the better bang for buck than a 5.5-6.5 Hyman (if that's the case).
 
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I thought same thing maybe a Canucks deal in da offing .. Marner and Rielly for Horvat Beagle Hughes and 2022 1st with Myers to equalize CAP .. I would do it .. Canucks would feel they won deal .. Horvat will help us in playoffs and Mitch could help Canucks get to playoffs
NO for Myers and Nucks is not sending Hughes anywhere. Miller on the other hand would be great with AM.
Horvat, Miller, Loui and draft picks.
 
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You are right all 3 guy has averaged just over 16 goals a season over past 5 years .. it is literally a dead heat between da 3 .. i would have thought Zach would have had at least a 2 goal average lead over both other 2 guys .. wow Josh got way overpaid by Habs
I think Josh got the tools to be higher ceiling in offence. But of the three,Brown is the best value.
 
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So I’m done rehashing the mess this ended up being and ready to look forward.

this is what I see for us next year so far:

Amirov. Matthews. Marner
Robertson Tavares. Nylander
Mikheyev. Kerfoot
Engvall. Brooks

Reilly. Brodie
Muzzin. Holl
Sandin Liljegrin

Campbell


Is Amirov ready? Do we lose Dermott in expansion? 2 forwards and a goalie with approx 10 mil space. Spezza wants back so maybe that’s one for cheap. Hyman? Do we get a backup goalie or look at a better starter?

Simmonds? Bogosian? I liked what they brought....is there room?

Just some thoughts to hopefully give me something to look forward to lol
I like what you have for the most part but I don’t see Amriov ready especially on opening night. Think Spezza will be back also
 
Can we get an Aho?

Every time I watch him play I think the Leafs stars should be forced to watch Canes post-season games and ordered to list 5 things he does every game that they don't.
I can't help but think of Dermott every time I see Aho. A terrific player. I would imagine no chance in hell we get him. I'd offer Marner right now.
 
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Can we get an Aho?

Every time I watch him play I think the Leafs stars should be forced to watch Canes post-season games and ordered to list 5 things he does every game that they don't.

Mitch Marner needs to watch Aho and Teravainen tape. You want to be creative, no problem. Just make sure you’re going to the net and making clean quick plays when you get there.
 
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So I’m done rehashing the mess this ended up being and ready to look forward.

this is what I see for us next year so far:

Amirov. Matthews. Marner
Robertson Tavares. Nylander
Mikheyev. Kerfoot
Engvall. Brooks

Reilly. Brodie
Muzzin. Holl
Sandin Liljegrin

Campbell


Is Amirov ready? Do we lose Dermott in expansion? 2 forwards and a goalie with approx 10 mil space. Spezza wants back so maybe that’s one for cheap. Hyman? Do we get a backup goalie or look at a better starter?

Simmonds? Bogosian? I liked what they brought....is there room?

Just some thoughts to hopefully give me something to look forward to lol
I appreciate your optimism but that looks like a team that probably won’t even make the playoffs let alone lose in the first round
 
I appreciate your optimism but that looks like a team that probably won’t even make the playoffs let alone lose in the first round
lol no optimism....scares the hell outta me. So much of the same. Filling the edges even with grit wont change us much. Id like to look at a Marner trade and one of Reilly/Muzzin
 
I can't help but think of Dermott every time I see Aho. A terrific player. I would imagine no chance in hell we get him. I'd offer Marner right now.
I actually rather have Carlo instead of Dermott.
If we can go back in time and draft for Leafs. Just in the 2014-2016 draft. Leafs could have drafted Point, Cirelli and one of Aho or Carlo along with Hart.
 
Mitch Marner needs to watch Aho and Teravainen tape. You want to be creative, no problem. Just make sure you’re going to the net and making clean quick plays when you get there.
Rather he watches and learn how Point plays the game
 
Dubas doesnt have the balls to trade any of the top 4

Hyman 4.5 Mathews 11.6 Marner 10.9
Gallchenyuk 1.5 Taveras 11.0 Nylander 6.9
Mik 1.6 Danault 2.5 Coleman 4
Brooks .725 spezza .9 Perry 1

Brodie 5 muzzin 5.62
Holl 2 Martinez 3
Bogo 1.3 Sandin .895
Ljiligren .863

Campbell 1.65
Driedger 3.5

Trade
Kerfoot
Engvall
Dermott
Who ever is not choose by Seattle trade them

Reilly if he accepts a muzzin deal sign him ( I would still sign a dman with a bomb from the point and better defensively.

Buyout
Kessel 1.2

1.5 left over

Martinez 9 goals

We are better prepared for the playoffs

The 3rd line want give you alot in the regular season but come playoff they will shut down the top line
 
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<free agent grunt winger> Matthews. Marner
Hyman (re-signed after becoming a free agent with money saved on goaltending) Tavares. Nylander
<free agent> <free agent> Mikheyev
Engvall. Brooks. J.Anderson

Reilly. Brodie
Muzzin. Holl
Sandin <free agent RHD>
<free agent D>

Campbell
<cheap career NHL backup>
Hutchinson

Prospects like Amirov, Abramov, Robertson, Hallander all left alone to develop in the AHL. It's too early to force these players to the NHL level. Maybe by season's end 1 or 2 of them force the team's hand.


Kerfoot seemed guaranteed to be moved but it might be important to retain him if Tavares is an LTIR case.
Liljegren is traded to another organization. It appears that the org has very little faith in Liljegren. When Bogosian went down and they didn't automatically choose Liljegren, you know something is up. I believe he will play in the NHL but it's still going to be several seasons before that happens full time.
 
Anyone thinking that 2 small skilled forwards Robertson and Armiov will make the team. No
They both need to get stronger and learn the defensive game.needs to get stronger
 
Sounds like we're going to run it back with the "core 4". That said, there were a lot of additions and things I really liked about this team. So maybe scorched earth isn't the answer...despite how I may have felt Monday night. We lost our Captain and a heck of a hockey player all series, we only had Foligno for half the series (and likely playing hurt the other games, hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure we wish we kept our first rounder), and we lost Muzzin right at the end too. All of that mixed with our stars not looking like our stars (save for Nylander). That's a lot for a team to try and overcome. All that said, here's what I'd do for lines next season.

Sign:
Blake Coleman (great add regardless, even more so if we lose Hyman...and Im pretty sure he'll be had cheaper. Try and sell him on the idea of playing with Matthews and Marner)
Brock McGinn (another hard working winger to help cushion the blow of Hyman walking away)

Re-sign:
Spezza (great guy all around, will be had for league minimum)
Bogosian (perfect third pairing guy, shouldn't cost much, give him a few years of term)
Galchenyuk (should want the opportunity to play with high skilled players for longer. Didn't light it up so shouldn't see much of a raise on his 1.05mil he earned this year. Give him 2 years. He may want the security...and it could pay off for us if he regains 20+ goal form)
Simmonds (won't require much. Great emotional leader imo, likely takes less than the 1.5mil he made this year. Don't think there will be a crazy market for him).
Rittich (familiar with the team now, won't get starting job offers, gets to be 1B and see a decent amount of starts behind a first time starter in Campbell)

Additions from within:
Robertson, Brooks

Gone to Seattle: Mikheyev. If they want Kerfoot, you add a late round pick as a sweetner to Mikheyev to protect him. He showed his value big time as a guy who was on PP2, the PK, and most importantly able to jump up and play well in Tavares absence. This isn't Mikheyev hate at all, just Kerfoot is far more valuable to us. Chips in more offensively, plays a more "annoying game", and all the way around made a fan out of me in these playoffs.

Coleman-Matthews-Marner
Gives this line the Hyman type. Except he plays even nastier, and in my opinion is faster as well from the eye test
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Hey, it seemed to work. Maybe give it an even longer run. Galchenyuk did a great job being the forechecker for this line, and just might find his scoring touch again and add 20 over the course of a season
Robertson-Kerfoot-McGinn
This line can play with high speed, score goals, and would just be annoying all the way around

Brooks-Spezza-Simmonds
We never really saw Spezza-Simmonds unless it was with Thornton. I thought Spezza and Simmonds both looked faster than they're given credit for. Brooks really helped out Thornton and Spezza..should be even easier to add speed to a Spezza-Simmonds combo. I like the idea of keeping a tough guy around, I don't think we can subtract from that area.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Bogosian

You completely run it back on the backend. I don't think defence was our issue at all. Infact I thought it was much improved from past years. I think Sandin needs to be given a full season of rope to get his hiccups out, and the franchise likely believes in Sandin's upside over Dermott's. Be sad to see Dermott go, but that's the business. Engvall can find a new home elsewhere too for some draft picks or whatever we can get.

Campbell
Rittich

Not much to explain here. Campbell, former #11 overall pick finally gets his chance to prepare for a year like a starter. Rittich is a reliable 1B option

*Sad to see Hyman go. What a warrior. But business is business. And if he wants over 5 million, I don't blame him. We just can't afford it here if we're running it back with the core 4. Coleman + McGinn likely cost around 6-7 combined. I think that's the better bang for buck than a 5.5-6.5 Hyman (if that's the case).

I don't mind some of your suggestions, but TOR will be back in the Northeast (I believe).

You basically have the same team, but with 1 new player.

I just don't think that's enough. IF Duabs and Shinny don't get fired soon, they sure as Hell are not going to keep the thin thread of their job security with 1 change to the line up.
 
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It's Sunday and I'm bored

Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
Ovechkin - Tavares - Galchenyuk
Robertson - Jenner - Mikhayev
Anderson - Cizikas - Brooks

Muzzin-Jones
Sandin-Brodie
Dermott-Holl

Campbell
Rittich
 
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Dubas needs to pick a lane and stay in it. I think I'm 100% overall of the bitches in this fanbase and media who are constantly piping off about this team not having enough grit or size or toughness. Our team identity is skill and speed. Enough of guys like Jumbo and Simmonds. Get players in your lineup who can provide good speed and skill. If you want to go after grit then get players who have that on top of being half-decent NHL players.

And before people jump to defend Jumbo/ Simmonds etc. Yes I'm aware that we needed that veteran leadership after the team got stonewalled by Columbus last year but if there's one thing I've learned about the NHL in all my years, it's that old "veteran leaders" usually lead by example and those guys typically aren't 35+ years old.

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The defence needs a true #1 defender we don't have that. Start there its priority #1.

I think they also need another top 4 defenceman. Don't tell me on paper Leafs can't stay healthy Leafs need more depth. They were considering plugging Marincin in again ffs instead went with rookie Sandin who cost Leafs a game on his own.

We can't score in the playoffs so the defence needs to improve to better insulate our good but not game stealing goaltending. Goals are scarce come playoff time.
 
Hopefully any lineup you draw now will be a mood point after the expansion draft and real UFA starts.


Marner for Eichel coming right up.
 
I didn't care for him and I cannot look at him (anymore).

I think we are finding out what the other teams might have. He is not very bright. He did the exact same no look pass the next game and Keefe benched him for a whole period. He doesn't get it and never will when it comes to making the safer or defensive play. He just doesn't know how. And...he is not exactly lighting up the scoreboard considering who he played with on top of his defensive blunders.
 
Kind of what I'm expecting, could see a Rielly move instead or a deal with Vancouver or Arizona around Garland or Boeser/Miller instead of Konecny, but this would be roughly what I expect. Armia could be any of a number of similar guys, he's just a personal favourite.

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So I’m done rehashing the mess this ended up being and ready to look forward.

this is what I see for us next year so far:

Amirov. Matthews. Marner
Robertson Tavares. Nylander
Mikheyev. Kerfoot
Engvall. Brooks

Reilly. Brodie
Muzzin. Holl
Sandin Liljegrin

Campbell


Is Amirov ready? Do we lose Dermott in expansion? 2 forwards and a goalie with approx 10 mil space. Spezza wants back so maybe that’s one for cheap. Hyman? Do we get a backup goalie or look at a better starter?

Simmonds? Bogosian? I liked what they brought....is there room?

Just some thoughts to hopefully give me something to look forward to lol
I throw Amirov in the mix, feck it. We really have to unload Marner, he is such a p***y it makes me sick. Gilmour 2.0? lmfao. I hope to God that Bogo re-sign here. So hope for a Maroon type forward or two, or three. We are top heavy with small, speedy prospects. Thanks, Dubas. Defense will be a mess when Rielly leaves unless the return in a trade is decent, but that will likely be a forward. I just don't see it right now, surprise us wonder boy.










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Da math is very very simple man .. he will get 5.5M for 7 years from Oilers (same deal as Anderson with habs in COVID times) .. we can go 8 years to lower AAV and we can use cash upfront for a hometown discount .. da number ends up around 4.5M+ (as Zach is a little better than Anderson) for 8 years front loaded .. da only question left to ask is does Dubie do it or not? .. don't overthink it

god signing Hyman to 8 years is a big yikes.
 

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