News & Notes XLIV: Revenge of the Seth

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True. His leaguewide value is probably around $5-$6M on a longer term deal.

However, in retrospect, we could have found a cheaper option to provide more value for the team. The term was great, but I don't think we're getting $7.5M worth of wins with Orlov's deal. For me it's consistency. At the end of last year Orlov was playing great, but we get a disparity of effort or results shift to shift.
100% agree on the consistence piece. That should be something we see more often from a player like him regardless of contracts.
 

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Apparently it was pointed out on the Sportsnet broadcast last night that last year the Canes became only the 4th NHL franchise to ever finish 3 straight seasons with 110+ points in the standings.

Which, you'd think that would be talked about more.
In fairness, some of us frequently talk about how great of a run this team has been on to get shit on around here because we didn't win the Cup or make the right big moves or have the same coach still or whatever. There is a reason why I have maintained that I think we'll be in that territory again this season. I'm going that way until a fall off actually happens for a whole season.
 

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In fairness, some of us frequently talk about how great of a run this team has been on to get shit on around here because we didn't win the Cup or make the right big moves or have the same coach still or whatever. There is a reason why I have maintained that I think we'll be in that territory again this season. I'm going that way until a fall off actually happens for a whole season.
I mean I also think that we eventually need to bring some hardware home for more people to really notice. Falling flat on our faces in the playoffs during this run does make it a bit easier to dismiss how good this team has been. That being said, if we do win a Cup with this core, it flips the entire narrative on its head and you're suddenly talking about how Dundon created a monster from the ashes when he bought the franchise.
 

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I mean I also think that we eventually need to bring some hardware home for more people to really notice. Falling flat on our faces in the playoffs during this run does make it a bit easier to dismiss how good this team has been. That being said, if we do win a Cup with this core, it flips the entire narrative on its head and you're suddenly talking about how Dundon created a monster from the ashes when he bought the franchise.
No doubt. I think we as fans should still enjoy the hell out of this ride regardless. But we'll always get the Sharks comparisons if we don't win.
 
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Lempo

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Embracing AI might be the right move financially, but if Dallas's marketing attempt last year was any indication, fans (on the whole) are VERY much still against it.

Though it'd be funny to see Dundon try to go full AI and start generating our roster photos with it.


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The search function tells me I have done the "WHL is empty and all the bantams are here" joke three times already.

This is the fourth.
 

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I mean I also think that we eventually need to bring some hardware home for more people to really notice. Falling flat on our faces in the playoffs during this run does make it a bit easier to dismiss how good this team has been. That being said, if we do win a Cup with this core, it flips the entire narrative on its head and you're suddenly talking about how Dundon created a monster from the ashes when he bought the franchise.

Well, what's your definition of "falling flat on our faces in the playoffs"? Tampa fell flat on their face against Columbus a few years back. I could also see Leafs fans making that assessment. Maybe I'm misremembering but in addition to at least one series win each year, seems to me like after Boston, every series the Canes lost could have gone their way with just a couple different bounces.
 
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For those smarter than I, do we see the proposed plans for the arena upgrades and commercial development around the area as a potential way to improve the sustainability of running a hockey club that spends max cap yearly in this market?
it's certainly a way to bolster income around the team/franchise without really doing much in terms of HRR. It could allow Tom to inject more money into the team as a bit of a write-off while still being a positive on the valuation of the team as a whole. Whether or not that's what he does with it is for Tom to decide but the guy likes winning, and that's probably the best way to help more in that regard.
 

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I mean I also think that we eventually need to bring some hardware home for more people to really notice. Falling flat on our faces in the playoffs during this run does make it a bit easier to dismiss how good this team has been. That being said, if we do win a Cup with this core, it flips the entire narrative on its head and you're suddenly talking about how Dundon created a monster from the ashes when he bought the franchise.
I know this topic is a about media. But if we win, I can already see how it doesn't matter and it's bad for the league or something. You know "lucky because X and Y was injured, referees sucked and Uranus had an anomaly in its orbit". It would be just icing on the cake for me.

I don't care if this team gets praise or not (in media or in general). I enjoy the ride every year. And all of you 26ers are a huge part of the experience.
 

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Well, what's your definition of "falling flat on our faces in the playoffs"? Tampa fell flat on their face against Columbus a few years back. I could also see Leafs fans making that assessment. Maybe I'm misremembering but in addition to at least one series win each year, seems to me like after Boston, every series the Canes lost could have gone their way with just a couple different bounces.
Clearly the definition is: winning at least 1 round each year and making it to the ECF 2 times in 6 years. :sarcasm:
 

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National media will mostly ignore the canes no matter what. I think the most positive national attention the canes ever got was the lead up to the cup in 06 where OLN had a commercial with Brind’Amour and staal up there with Crosby et al. But for now it’s great watching espn dudes for example who would clearly rather be talking shit have to say they’re playing great
 

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Apparently it was pointed out on the Sportsnet broadcast last night that last year the Canes became only the 4th NHL franchise to ever finish 3 straight seasons with 110+ points in the standings.

Which, you'd think that would be talked about more.
And it would have been 4 if not for the Covid season as Carolina had 80P in 56G (117 point pace).

The other teams:

Detroit: 05/06, 06/07, 07/08 and 08/09
Montreal: 74/75, 75/76, 76/77, 77/78, 78/79
PHI: 73/74, 74/75, 75/76, 76/77,
 

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I am anxiously awaiting to see what bullshit method Ticketmaster implements to skirt this regulation
I was shocked that there was surge pricing or something when I bought tickets for the Concert for Carolina which is an Helene fundraiser. I selected seats and added them to my cart but when I went to checkout TM "alerted" me to a new price increase.
 
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I was shocked that there was surge pricing or something when I bought tickets for the Concert for Carolina which is an Helene fundraiser. I selected seats and added them to my cart but when I went to checkout TM "alerted" me to a new price increase.

At least they didn't call it storm surge pricing for a HURRICANE charity concert. Good lord.
 

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I was shocked that there was surge pricing or something when I bought tickets for the Concert for Carolina which is an Helene fundraiser. I selected seats and added them to my cart but when I went to checkout TM "alerted" me to a new price increase.
What percent of the tickets are going for Helene and how much to organizer, location, TM, artists? If 100 or a very high percent to Helene, then probably acceptable (for me).
 
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What percent of the tickets are going for Helene and how much to organizer, location, TM, artists? If 100 or a very high percent to Helene, then probably acceptable (for me).
Its a good question, and it took me down a little rabbit hole that brought me to this article from WBTV in Charlotte...

We spoke to one woman who spent more than 200 dollars per seat in the 500 section, which is the highest section, while others are reporting buying those tickets for less at the box office.

“What’s the reasoning? Why is it like that? Why was there no consistency in pricing as to what was posted?" said Lauren Helton. “Number two, it’s changing. You know, as you’re live in the system, why is it changing so much like that?”

We are working to get questions like Helton’s answered. A spokesperson for the Luke Combs and Eric Church management teams sent us a statement reading:

“As a matter of process, dynamic pricing was implemented during on sale. It’s important to remember that this allowed us to maximize the charitable contributions to this important cause. We are thrilled with the response and the heart of our music community to help those who need our support. 100% of proceeds will go to the charities identified by Luke Combs and Eric Church. Additionally, Ticketmaster waived its fees leaving the only incremental cost of taxes and credit card fees."

Looks like they did it just to maximize how much money went to relief efforts. Which, while good intentions, be transparent about that next time.
 

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Killing some time waiting for a vendor this AM.

A look at how our D pairings are being used this year versus last (early of course).

So far, Slavin is up, 2nd pair down, 3rd pair up versus LY.

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Plus, historical usage:
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Its a good question, and it took me down a little rabbit hole that brought me to this article from WBTV in Charlotte...



Looks like they did it just to maximize how much money went to relief efforts. Which, while good intentions, be transparent about that next time.
Sounds like her experience was similar to mine. I purchased them anyway as it’s for a good cause with lots of good acts in the line up. I had just never experienced anything like it before. It’s quite a hot ticket which should be great for the fundraising!

I was online in the TM waiting room when the sales went live and they informed me 27000 were already in front of me. It was 50k for others a few minutes later.
 

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