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Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at New Jersey Devils - December 21
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egelband
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Yep. And he’s getting better. I see him becoming a very nice third liner with a little grit.
I think he was a RW.
I meant that by the time he got to the Rangers he had become a power play specialist on the point.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He was our best forward when we went to the cup and were a 53% possession and xG team, so no that's not it.
AV is a terrible coach, but he's not responsible for assembling the dumbest group of players in the league. That's on our old GM, our new GM and his team.
Let's look past the fact that this team is never prepared for games, as professional athletes. What the actual f*** are McDonagh and Shattenkirk doing in the first and second goals? These types of brain farts with this team happen at a consistency far above the rest of the league. Your team isn't going to win squat when your captain, who's supposed to lead by example (no, that doesn't mean he has to be most the skilled or the best), makes idiotic decisions on a regular basis. Like a virus, that shit spreads.
Also, the ex Ranger thing is pathetic, and happens far to often to simply dismiss it as bad luck. It's truly remarkable how often it happens, and would be pretty easy to analytically compare with the rest of the league. I'd be willing to bet, like our dumbass mistakes, that is well above league average.
Let's look past the fact that this team is never prepared for games, as professional athletes. What the actual f*** are McDonagh and Shattenkirk doing in the first and second goals? These types of brain farts with this team happen at a consistency far above the rest of the league. Your team isn't going to win squat when your captain, who's supposed to lead by example (no, that doesn't mean he has to be most the skilled or the best), makes idiotic decisions on a regular basis. Like a virus, that shit spreads.
Also, the ex Ranger thing is pathetic, and happens far to often to simply dismiss it as bad luck. It's truly remarkable how often it happens, and would be pretty easy to analytically compare with the rest of the league. I'd be willing to bet, like our dumbass mistakes, that is well above league average.
offdacrossbar
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AV is such a clown.
we played awful and debs were ready to go. not the shootout lineup i would have chosen but AV gonna AV.
henrik earning his paycheck. loving his game. john moore scores. yeesh. and we get a point when we should have lost by 3 easy. ill take the point and move forward.
we are a very good team that plays dumb. the AV effect.
we played awful and debs were ready to go. not the shootout lineup i would have chosen but AV gonna AV.
henrik earning his paycheck. loving his game. john moore scores. yeesh. and we get a point when we should have lost by 3 easy. ill take the point and move forward.
we are a very good team that plays dumb. the AV effect.
Im a big Shattenkirk fan, but his head has been lodged up his ass for like 7-8 games now. Don’t need numbers to see that.
We're absolutely a good team that plays dumb, couldn't agree more, but how is that the AV effect?
Playing Vesey in the shootout is his fault, failing to have the team ready at game time is certainly partially on him.
But is it fair to blame AV for McDonagh and Shattenkirk being idiots? I don't see how we can blame AV for McDonagh's lackadaisical failure to clear the zone on goal one. I use that as just one example.
ReggieDunlop68
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To be fair, AV never gave it a legitimate shot. He broke them up in game 2 of the season at a time when everyone was still playing poorly and Shattenkirk was clearly not adjusted to the system yet.
ReggieDunlop68
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
It's funny because people used to complain that he always needed to have LH-RH pairs. Which is actually much more beneficial.
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How many RHD do we have? Some players are more comfortable playing the right side even though they are left-handed, like Smith.
The real issue is that we play man-defense with personnel more used to playing zone.
TheTakedown
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I'm so f***ing sour about this. Why would you play Vesey in the shootout?!
will1066
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I was simply following up on the post about not giving Shattenkirk a shot with McDonagh. Each game there is a handful of situations where a natural lefty has more trouble clearing the puck. Last night there was an instance where Holden, if he were a righty, could've swept the puck up the right side boards for a clear. But he had to hold the puck in the corner.
Not disagreeing with you about man-to-man D. We suck at it.
No one who knows how bad the Devils are as a possession team and saw us cream them in possession last time we played them can actually believe it was a skill problem. It was an effort problem, plain and simple. The team takes on the demeanor of the coach.
will1066
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I actually said it in jest. Of course a natural RH-LH pair would make much more sense tactically.
Irishguy42
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Using Vesey in the shootout isn't an issue.
Using Vesey in the shootout before the likes of Nash/Kreider/Buch/etc. is an issue.
Using Vesey in the shootout before the likes of Nash/Kreider/Buch/etc. is an issue.
Irishguy42
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The idea is that it's more difficult for the defenseman to work their stick along the boards if they're on their offside.
Yes, it's easier to shoot, but their stick is opposite the boards, which makes it easier for opposition to chip the puck up along the boards, or even just skate through there.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I mean, the McDonagh trade even for all of his warts was still a great trade and the Shattenkirk deal was a steal that most GMs would take and run. So not sure how those two guys making mistakes somehow reflects poorly on the GMs.
I feel like you gave me a project that I will spend this whole holiday working on. Although it's probably too big of an undertaking to go through all of the scorers of every game for a few seasons. But I'll try. (My guess is I'll give up before I'm done, haha).
will1066
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Generally speaking, what causes mistakes on the backend? Pressure. Not having an out. They make their share of unforced errors, surely, especially Shattenkirk, when they get too fancy. But forwards flying the zone and leaving you no relief valves results in bad choices that look like lazy plays or brainfarts. When was the last time this team consistently went up the ice as a unit?
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