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GDT: New York Rangers at Los Angeles Kings - January 8, 2015 - 7:30 p.m. (PST)

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From today's practice

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 16m 16 minutes ago

Looks as though Kings’ D pairs are:
3-8 / 55-27 / 6-2 / (44-5)

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 37 mins37 minutes ago

Richards/Nolan only 2 in yellow jerseys, signifying extras. It looks as though Carter and Brown are rotating on first line0 replies7 retweets3 favorites

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 42 mins42 minutes ago

Kings’ lines at practice:
12-11-23
70-77-73
74-28-14
13-22-15
Guess what that means for Mike Richards (and Jordan Nolan)?

Hopefully that means (and why he didn't play in the 3rd) a Richards trade is being finalized. He became invisible to Sutter months ago, and Sutter has mismanaged his minutes badly, every shift, game in game out and stripped away his confidence. A trade would rectify that, a coach putting him ina position to succeed with stability with scoring wingers on a reg. basis, PP and PK time.
 
deeshamrock said:
Jon Rosen@lakingsinsider · 34m 34 minutes ago

The #LAKings have allowed three goals in six minutes six times (@ MTL, @ STL, vs STL, vs CGY, vs NSH, vs NYR) over the last 12 games.

That's just brutal. `
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I would argue that's not something a mentally tough, defensive-minded team does. Letting the flood gates open after 1 goal is something players do when they're rattled. They need to get back the eye of the tiger.
 
deeshamrock said:
From today's practice

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 16m 16 minutes ago

Looks as though Kings’ D pairs are:
3-8 / 55-27 / 6-2 / (44-5)

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 37 mins37 minutes ago

Richards/Nolan only 2 in yellow jerseys, signifying extras. It looks as though Carter and Brown are rotating on first line0 replies7 retweets3 favorites

Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond · 42 mins42 minutes ago

Kings’ lines at practice:
12-11-23
70-77-73
74-28-14
13-22-15
Guess what that means for Mike Richards (and Jordan Nolan)?

Hopefully that means (and why he didn't play in the 3rd) a Richards trade is being finalized. He became invisible to Sutter months ago, and Sutter has mismanaged his minutes badly, every shift, game in game out and stripped away his confidence. A trade would rectify that, a coach putting him ina position to succeed with stability with scoring wingers on a reg. basis, PP and PK time.
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Please, let's not lay Richards' poor performance at Sutter's feet. Mike Richards' performance is the reason Mike Richards isn't in the lineup for the next game.

Sutter is probably the best coach the Kings have had ever, and he holds his players accountable.
 
Reclamation Project said:
The writing's on the wall. Something's gotta be happening behind the scenes with Dean.
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MIght be nothing but Calgary put McGrattan on waivers an hour ago. I wonder if they are clearing roster space? Burke is a HUGE richards fan and Calgary was (along with Montreal, Winnipeg and Toronto) asking about him from July thru to mid December (according to rumors)
 
deeshamrock said:
DL has been trying to trade for a D since OCt but not 'someone' he wants a top D and if he maintains that stance, he's going to have pay for it, for example , for Yandle the asking price is a top young player, a top prospect and a 1st rounder. And Maloney will get that because it's a seller's market, there are a half dozen playoff teams that want to upgrade at D and some are very competitive with each other, inter conference. Fear of Team A getting him will push Team B to pull the trigger. As recently as yesterday, the Wings sand Kings were the teams rumored to be pushing the hardest for him. Wings have a plethora of young guns on the team and growing in the minors, Holland has a better shot. DL drools over Yandle and if he feels that he's the difference maker, the D thta can stablize , with DD, AM and JM as the top 4, he'll have to give up Pearson and FOrbert or Gravel (or similar) to get it done. Because there's a dropoff (Phaneuf costs to much) after Yandle to Sekera (whose price tage is the same as Yandles) and Petry whose good but not as good or Coburn, bargain basement.
The Devils will be sellers but don't have anything worth merit. Others out ther Myers??? Franson?

Bruins still looking for scoring help:

•Kevin Paul Dupont: (answering question) It would take Dougie Hamilton, Malcolm Subban and a conditional 2nd round pick to get Taylor Hall.
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DL has been in love with Yandle for years now but I don't know if Arizona is willing to trade him to us and I don't think Forbort has that much value anyways. I would hate losing Pearson, though. We can't afford to lose him, tbh. Trading for someone like Yandle would create another hole on LW. I wouldn't mind the Kings dealing 2 top prospects (Kempe (ugh) and Forbort) plus a 1st for Yandle would get it done but then we still have to deal with Voynov and see what's happening there.
 
I don't know why anyone thinks a Mike Richards trade is happening. Making him a healthy scratch could be a message. Lombardi is too loyal to his players, he missed the window in which he could've taken his money off the books but he knows what Richards brings to the table and the locker room. He's just too expensive to be doing the stuff he does. He was brought here to be a 2nd line centre and after the 2012 cup, he has been 3/4 of the player he used to be. Blame it on the mileage on the body (like LeBron is saying), Brown is in the same boat. Both these guys are not who they used to be. And it's just sad to see other guys from that same draft class in Getzlaf, Perry even Carter still be able to contribute but Richards & Brown can't.
 
KINGS17 said:
Please, let's not lay Richards' poor performance at Sutter's feet. Mike Richards' performance is the reason Mike Richards isn't in the lineup for the next game.
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Yeah. Sutter left Richards on the 2nd line with Carter for as long as he could last year. At some point, he couldn't play him there anymore. You thought alright, Richards will get back to form come playoff time. Other than a couple decent games, he didn't do anything to quiet the buy out talk. Then goes into the summer with some more training time. Comes back this year, and looks pretty much like he did last year.

I still like the idea of Mike Richards though.
 
Sutter simply sending a message, that the current form of their collective play, is unacceptable. Looks like Richards Is the sacrifice. Can't bench or scratch the whole team.
 
damacles1156 said:
Sutter simply sending a message, that the current form of their collective play, is unacceptable. Looks like Richards Is the sacrifice. Can't bench or scratch the whole team.
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Richards isn't being sacrificed. He isn't performing. If Stoll was playing as poorly in his own end as Richards is, Stoll would be a healthy scratch.

If Richards is in the press box the next game, the only person that put him there is Mike Richards.
 
KINGS17 said:
Please, let's not lay Richards' poor performance at Sutter's feet. Mike Richards' performance is the reason Mike Richards isn't in the lineup for the next game.

Sutter is probably the best coach the Kings have had ever, and he holds his players accountable.
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Actually, I can do that because this forum is for fan to express their opinions. You choose to see or not to see Richards in whatever way you want, I don't, it's just 2 different views, but it doesn't make mine wrong.
I used what I have seen along with the (behind the net , hockey analysis .com, Jewels from the Crown, ESPN) articles with data in them that support how well he's played zone time, offensive zone starts, low SOG, and zone time for opponents when he's out there, puck possession in mid 50's. Stoll has been miserable in most measurable metrics, including the PK , he's gotten all the stability, miinutes , PP , PK time Richards hasn't and Stoll has produced nothing, except that he's Sutter's fair haired boy
But that's the way hockey rolls, Richards will be better off on a team with a coach and GM who understand those metrics and also what their scouts have reported from watching him this year.
You don't like MR, that's fine, there are 4 Kings I don't like, that's a fan's perogitive.
 
damacles1156 said:
Sutter simply sending a message, that the current form of their collective play, is unacceptable. Looks like Richards Is the sacrifice. Can't bench or scratch the whole team.
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I don't understand how having MR in a yellow jersey on a non game day changes anything on the team. Send what message?? There were last night and in prior game,s players playing far worse. Sutter called Muzzin out after last night's game for his poor play. MR is the only starter with a job in jeopardy, benching him does nothing to change how the others play. They arena't in jeopardy of losing a job or being traded.

Having MR not practice on a non game day, more likely is that they don't want him hurt while the trade is finalized. Same reason he didn't play in the 3rd.
Unless he's got some kind of minor injury, which would have been reported.
 
deeshamrock said:
Actually, I can do that because this forum is for fan to express their opinions. You choose to see or not to see Richards in whatever way you want, I don't, it's just 2 different views, but it doesn't make mine wrong.
I used what I have seen along with the (behind the net , hockey analysis .com, Jewels from the Crown, ESPN) articles with data in them that support how well he's played zone time, offensive zone starts, low SOG, and zone time for opponents when he's out there, puck possession in mid 50's. Stoll has been miserable in most measurable metrics, including the PK , he's gotten all the stability, miinutes , PP , PK time Richards hasn't and Stoll has produced nothing, except that he's Sutter's fair haired boy
But that's the way hockey rolls, Richards will be better off on a team with a coach and GM who understand those metrics and also what their scouts have reported from watching him this yera.
You don't like MR, that's fine, there are 4 Kings I don't like, that's a fan's perogitive.
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Sure you can do that, but one of us is wrong.

Either Richards is being scratched due to poor performance or Sutter has some kind of bug up his butt about Richards.

I don't think Sutter plays favorites. He has guys that he has to use like Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick. He will give those guys a lot of slack.

It's not about liking Richards or not. I don't like his play as of late and I think it's been on a steady decline for quite some time with flashes of his old self, but those are becoming fewer and farther between.

I just find it ridiculous to think that Richards' performance can be blamed on Sutter not using him correctly. Richards is up against the other team's bottom pairing most nights. He should be playing much better than he is in that situation.

Tell me, what situation should Sutter be putting Richards in at this time where he can succeed?
 
KINGS17 said:
Sure you can do that, but one of us is wrong.

Either Richards is being scratched due to poor performance or Sutter has some kind of bug up his butt about Richards.

I don't think Sutter plays favorites. He has guys that he has to use like Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick. He will give those guys a lot of slack.

It's not about liking Richards or not. I don't like his play as of late and I think it's been on a steady decline for quite some time with flashes of his old self, but those are becoming fewer and farther between.

I just find it ridiculous to think that Richards' performance can be blamed on Sutter not using him correctly. Richards is up against the other team's bottom pairing most nights. He should be playing much better than he is in that situation.

Tell me, what situation should Sutter be putting Richards in at this time where he can succeed?
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I agree with your point of Sutter have a bug up his butt re: Richards. Something happened late last spring (may ish) and Sutter has not recognized or seen Richards since, eps this year. And that can happen on any team.
Situation: the one that he spoke to DL about over the summer. DL challanged him to get fit and he did, what he wanted was stability. Centering the 3rd line for reg shifts, PP time and PK time. That went to Stoll, who has done nothing with it, esp on the PP. Richards is a smarter player and has shown that. What exactly has Stoll done over half a year to merit the minutes he gets??
Richards was not given then, he was bounced around and has spent far too many wasted shifts as 4th line fodder.
When it became clear in November that Sutter was not going to ever put/keep Richards on the 3rd line, that he was not going to give up Stoll, I started waiting for the trade.
 
KINGS17 said:
Sounds like we are about to see:

McNabb Doughty
Regehr Martinez
Muzzin Greene

that might be ok for a bit.
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Alright McNabb back in the line up!!! Watching the game, last night I was thinking the D could at least lay someone out if they're going to lose anyways.... oh wait McNabb is scratched.

Don't think McNabb/Doughty has anything to do with how McNabb has been doing in practice. More of a reflection of Muzzin's resent play.
 
The Kings problems are not with Richards. It is the defense. I said this before but we've had a McBain/Schultz pairing this year. Name a time in the past 3 seasons when the Kings have iced a pairing that bad. And I'm not knocking those players. It's that the Kings have 3 or 4 guys that should be on the third pairing or the 7th defenseman.
 
deeshamrock said:
I agree with your point of Sutter have a bug up his butt re: Richards. Something happened late last spring (may ish) and Sutter has not recognized or seen Richards since, eps this year. And that can happen on any team.
Situation: the one that he spoke to DL about over the summer. DL challanged him to get fit and he did, what he wanted was stability. Centering the 3rd line for reg shifts, PP time and PK time. That went to Stoll, who has done nothing with it, esp on the PP. Richards is a smarter player and has shown that. What exactly has Stoll done over half a year to merit the minutes he gets??
Richards was not given then, he was bounced around and has spent far too many wasted shifts as 4th line fodder.
When it became clear in November that Sutter was not going to ever put/keep Richards on the 3rd line, that he was not going to give up Stoll, I started waiting for the trade.
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For some time at least Stoll's line with Brown and Williams was the best line the Kings had going. That happened after the That '70s line cooled off, and before Kopitar decided he wanted to get his butt in gear.

I don't think the path to long term success includes Stoll centering the 2nd PP unit, but his still gets things done in his own end. What exactly has Richards done to warrant more minutes? There have been several games lately where he has completely lost his check in his own zone.

Buddy The Elf said:
The Kings problems are not with Richards. It is the defense. I said this before but we've had a McBain/Schultz pairing this year. Name a time in the past 3 seasons when the Kings have iced a pairing that bad. And I'm not knocking those players. It's that the Kings have 3 or 4 guys that should be on the third pairing or the 7th defenseman.
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I think Richards' performance is clearly one of the problems, but you're right getting the blue line back in shape in Job 1 for Dean right now.
 
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