GDT: New York Rangers 2018-2019 Training Camp Thread

[eco's bones]

No doubt, but those guys were all far from soft players. Lindros in his prime was one of the most terrifying players to ever step foot on the ice.

Claiming that a player is soft because he got his bell rung in a contact sport is like calling someone slow for finishing 5th in the 100m during the olympics.

Maybe you're using Boynton as an example of playing tough despite his injures--maybe if you used someone else but I recently read his Players Tribune article and IMO it starts off almost like someone calling a suicide hotline. I didn't like Nash all that much by the way but I respect what he's done. There's a point where you get your bell rung and you need to stop.

But more case in point Zibanejad was concussed last year and it took him about 20 games after he came back to get his groove back and after Buchnevich was concussed he never really did. I can't blame a player for that but often the coaching staff starts cutting their ice time because their on ice performance isn't where it should be. So I do think head injuries do have an effects on a lot of players and players these days also know about CTE and such things--they don't want to end up getting early stages of dementia in their mid 40's.

For me it's kind of balancing act because I like physical play a lot more than I think most posters in this forum. I don't like seeing my team getting physically mauled whether the refs are calling penalties or not. I'm in the ever dwindling pay them back crowd. Still an individual has to take care of himself and if they become concerned about their health after they retire it might be time for them to retire now.

 

[eco's bones]

Not sure if Moore is the best person to use as an example, he was a dirty player at times in his career.

You're right he did have his moments. No one knew it in that first camp though.

 

[Inferno]

He rides a mean Zamboni tho.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe you're using Boynton as an example of playing tough despite his injures--maybe if you used someone else but I recently read his Players Tribune article and IMO it starts off almost like someone calling a suicide hotline. I didn't like Nash all that much by the way but I respect what he's done. There's a point where you get your bell rung and you need to stop.

But more case in point Zibanejad was concussed last year and it took him about 20 games after he came back to get his groove back and after Buchnevich was concussed he never really did. I can't blame a player for that but often the coaching staff starts cutting their ice time because their on ice performance isn't where it should be. So I do think head injuries do have an effects on a lot of players and players these days also know about CTE and such things--they don't want to end up getting early stages of dementia in their mid 40's.

For me it's kind of balancing act because I like physical play a lot more than I think most posters in this forum. I don't like seeing my team getting physically mauled whether the refs are calling penalties or not. I'm in the ever dwindling pay them back crowd. Still an individual has to take care of himself and if they become concerned about their health after they retire it might be time for them to retire now.

I think we're discussing two separate things.

I'm with you on CTE and the scary unknown with brain injuries.

My comment was in response to someone claiming Zibanejad to be soft because he got his bell rung. Not only was it a dumb comment, but the fact is people who invite and play to contact are the ones who are more likely to sustain concussions than those who shy away from the rough stuff.

 

[Webster]

Head injuries make a player soft?

In other words...injury prone. Some guys are hard as steel, while others crack like an egg.

Going to have more problems with him and a few other less physical players with this tough Quinn system.

 

[gravey9]

Not upset with the rookie. I like that Quinn is setting a tone of you need to work for every inch, even in practice. I think that's the foundation this team needs to build.

That said, I can't help but remember another guy named Keane who gave one of his NYR teammates a major concussion...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In other words...injury prone. Some guys are hard as steel, while others crack like an egg.

Going to have more problems with him and a few other less physical players with this tough Quinn system.

This is easily the dumbest thing I've read here from you and let me tell you, there is some stiff competition for that title.

I don't care how tough or strong you are, anyone can get concussed. Once you suffer one, you're more likely to suffer additional ones.

But if we're using your words, I guess Zuccarello is soft for suffering a head injury in 2015....

I mean he temporarily lost the ability to speak, what a whimp*

* This is sarcasm before the Zuccettes hop all over me for being insensitive over a potentially career and life threatening injury.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Don't think we're in the clear yet though. Concussion symptoms may not show up for a few days.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

In other words...injury prone. Some guys are hard as steel, while others crack like an egg.

Going to have more problems with him and a few other less physical players with this tough Quinn system.

I love that you are basically calling Zuccarello soft. This is amazing

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Don't think we're in the clear yet though. Concussion symptoms may not show up for a few days.

Yeah sometimes even weeks or months later.

But this is probably good news.

 

[Webster]

Go Away S...don't try to pick a fight again. There's a difference of getting hit in the head by a puck going 120 mph and getting bumped to the ice.

Some guys can walk away from the same kind of hit others don't, the softer guys always lose that battle.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The Rangers are the only team in the league without a star player. Hank was a star player of course but not at 36. Let that sink in. Many teams have multiple. Rangers don’t have one. This team NEEDS to finish bottom 5.

Development is a big part of this too, and it's how Tampa has helped turn a guy like Brayden Point into the player he is today. We've swung big on guys with tantalizing skillsets in these last two drafts, and now they have a coaching staff with a strong track record for developing talent.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Go Away S...don't try to pick a fight again. There's a difference of getting hit in the head by a puck going 120 mph and getting bumped to the ice.

Some guys can walk away from the same kind of hit others don't, the softer guys always lose that battle.

Lol he didn't get bumped to the ice.

He got hit in the head. No one in the league shoots 120 mph btw.

Edit: Apparently it wasn't even a head shot and he just got the wind knocked out of him.

 

[eco's bones]

In other words...injury prone. Some guys are hard as steel, while others crack like an egg.

Going to have more problems with him and a few other less physical players with this tough Quinn system.

Once Z-bad got over his concussion last year he played a lot more physically in the last 30 games or so of the season and he was a lot more effective player. To illustrate at the half way point of 2017-18--the (41 game mark) Mika had 22 hits recorded in 32 games (he missed the other 9 with his injury). By the end of the season he had 92 hits in 72 games. Or 70 hits in his last 40 games compared to 22 in his first 32. Big difference. He very much ratcheted up his physical game in the second half and it showed. He finished the season strong. Lesson is when Mika's physically engaged he's a better player and the bonus lesson is that his second half shows he's very capable of being more physically engaged.

.....and to be fair Chris Kreider one of our more physical players is also very inconsistent--he'll disappear for stretches and when he's not entirely engaged he's usually not producing much either. Someone like Jesper Fast pretty much always plays the same and he always gets in on the forecheck and gets his hits in---though he's a lightweight compared to Kreider and Zibanejad.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

In other words...injury prone. Some guys are hard as steel, while others crack like an egg.

Going to have more problems with him and a few other less physical players with this tough Quinn system.

Concussion + Injury Prone should not be used in the same sentence.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[nyr2k2]

Send that f***ing rookie home.

 

[Webster]

Lol he didn't get bumped to the ice.

He got hit in the head. No one in the league shoots 120 mph btw.

Edit: Apparently it wasn't even a head shot and he just got the wind knocked out of him.

Right...Zucc would just shake it off because he's a warrior, while Zibby the softie turned it into a drama.

Maybe now you get my point.

 

[Irishguy42]

We gonna get a pre-game thread going?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Go Away S...don't try to pick a fight again. There's a difference of getting hit in the head by a puck going 120 mph and getting bumped to the ice.

Some guys can walk away from the same kind of hit others don't, the softer guys always lose that battle.

Bumped on the ice?

120 mph?

I might change my username to Go Away Webster pretty soon...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Go Away S...don't try to pick a fight again. There's a difference of getting hit in the head by a puck going 120 mph and getting bumped to the ice.

Some guys can walk away from the same kind of hit others don't, the softer guys always lose that battle.

It's the exact same f***ing thing, dude. A puck in the head is just an unfortunate incident, similar to getting hit the wrong way causing a player to hit the ice awkwardly.

If Zibanejad is soft for what happened to him, so is your boyfriend Zucc for getting hit in the head with a puck.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Send that ****ing rookie home.

And burn his equipment.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No matter what happens tomorrow, there is going to be an overreaction.

Rangers Lose: OMFG the coaches suck.

Rangers Win: OMFG they're going to be so much better than everyone is predicting

 

[Kovalev27]

Joey Keane is not messing around. Zibanejad is a horse. Big strong guy in his prime. 19 year old Keane sent him to the locker room on a one on one battle drill? That’s something