OT: New Owner! New Name? New Season? New Everything!!! — Oh, and New Thread. All things Washington NFL FootBall (beat it, Dan-Bag!!)

[Ajax1995]

Da Bears….

Don’t forget that the Bears also traded their 2nd rounder last year, which ended up being 32nd overall, for Chase Claypool, who ended up playing 10 games for them before they offloaded him to Miami for a 7th rounder early this season.

 

[Ajax1995]

We should have exercised his 5th year option, so we could evaluate him over more than 8 games, and not had to decide on him and Sweat at the same time. This front office is brain dead. Utterly moronic.

And make no mistake, the GM reports to Ron, so Ron runs the football decisions. Glad Harris is slowly firing him before our eyes.

I completely disagree. Being on the hook to pay that guy $17.5 mil would have been stupid. I don’t disagree that the timing of both those guys’ contracts being up at the same time was less than ideal but paying someone that amount of money just because makes no sense.

It isn’t like either of them played even remotely well enough this season to make trying to retain either a no brainer. Paying guys in any sport/league just because you don’t have an obvious replacement rarely works out well for anyone but the player.

 

[kicksavedave]

I completely disagree. Being on the hook to pay that guy $17.5 mil would have been stupid. I don’t disagree that the timing of both those guys’ contracts being up at the same time was less than ideal but paying someone that amount of money just because makes no sense.

It isn’t like either of them played even remotely well enough this season to make trying to retain either a no brainer. Paying guys in any sport/league just because you don’t have an obvious replacement rarely works out well for anyone but the player.

We have a mountain of cap space next year. Its not that much more than a really good DE would get anyway. And that extra money would buy us another season to coach and evaluate him coming back from his major injury. That's why you spend the money, to buy time to make a better decision. This idiotic front office only gave themselves 8 games to decide.

 

[usiel]

Looks at 2024 NFL FA list lots of D line at the top. Doesn't look like a great year for FA OL.

Would love if they could pick up a receiver with size.

 

[Ajax1995]

We have a mountain of cap space next year. Its not that much more than a really good DE would get anyway. And that extra money would buy us another season to coach and evaluate him coming back from his major injury. That's why you spend the money, to buy time to make a better decision. This idiotic front office only gave themselves 8 games to decide.

They have a lot of cap space and a lot of holes.

He’s done absolutely nothing to show they made the wrong decision not picking up that option.

If the new regime wants him back I have no doubt they will be able to get him for a reasonable amount less than that option price.

 

[Roric]

 

[TRASHCAT]

Its mostly bored angry boston media. God help you though hes nothing without brady

 

[Cush]

 

[HTFN]

Looks at 2024 NFL FA list lots of D line at the top. Doesn't look like a great year for FA OL.

Would love if they could pick up a receiver with size.

Like, I'm not saying it was the right move or even prudent for the Commanders right now, but even as a Packers fan seeing other teams pick up guys like Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins makes me a little irritated. Nobody's saying they're who they were a lot of years ago, but goddamn just getting some veteran experience and guys who fight for catchable balls would make a big difference to both of our favorite teams by a lot.

Both could also use a really quality slot receiver too and seem to give two shits about the role. Nevermind Edelman, Kupp, now Puka... just f*** the slot role and hit them with deep routes and checkdowns.

Has the game changed? No, it's the children who are wrong.

 

[ChaosLord]

Its mostly bored angry boston media. God help you though hes nothing without brady

Belicheck was the primary reason for the Patriots success in the last 20 years, not Brady. Belicheck has WON Superbowls with AVERAGE talent, a unique accomplishment in the NFL. Not Gibbs, not Parcells, not Walsh, not Johnson, not Shula, not Landry, not Lombardi could ever boast that.

If Belicheck is starting to suck now, its because he's 71, he starting to slip, and the game is passing him by. But in his prime, he was without equal, don't kid yourself.

 

[TRASHCAT]

Belicheck was the primary reason for the Patriots success in the last 20 years, not Brady. Belicheck has WON Superbowls with AVERAGE talent, a unique accomplishment in the NFL. Not Gibbs, not Parcells, not Walsh, not Johnson, not Shula, not Landry, not Lombardi could ever boast that.

If Belicheck is starting to suck now, its because he's 71, he starting to slip, and the game is passing him by. But in his prime, he was without equal, don't kid yourself.

 

[John Price]

Florio is literally fake news

Finlay said his sources had no confirmation on this. And even if they did why would you trade for him? The game has passed him by.

I remember another Super Bowl winning coach with an elite QB who struggled when he came here. Retreads have not worked out well in Washington. The last retread (said SB winning coach) was awful and finished last place 3 out of his 4 years here.

off the top of my head the last retread to succeed in Washington was Vince Lombardi.

 

[Ridley Simon]

As great as Belichick has been, I truly don’t want the Skins to trade for him. That would be such a Redskinny move. Would stink of Lil Danny

 

[max21]

I knew from the get go Chase young was a problem when he skipped the eastern motors commercials and went straight to Mercedes Benz. What a mega let down from the org to the player, he was franchise material

 

[John Price]

As great as Belichick has been, I truly don’t want the Skins to trade for him. That would be such a Redskinny move. Would stink of Lil Danny

Washington made all those trades Tuesday to get more picks... and then use those picks to trade for belichick? wouldn't make sense. rather use them on players.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Belicheck was the primary reason for the Patriots success in the last 20 years, not Brady. Belicheck has WON Superbowls with AVERAGE talent, a unique accomplishment in the NFL. Not Gibbs, not Parcells, not Walsh, not Johnson, not Shula, not Landry, not Lombardi could ever boast that.

He had Tom Brady.

Gibbs had some great teams but Theisman/Williams/Rypien - that's impressive too.

 

[ChaosLord]

He had Tom Brady.

Gibbs had some great teams but Theisman/Williams/Rypien - that's impressive too.

He did. And he had Randy Moss at one stage too.

But roughly after 2010, he had Tom Brady and not a much else ie. a lot of average talent. And yet he managed to take those teams to the SB, and in some cases, win it.

He also drafted like a m*ther. Because of their success, the Patriots were always drafting in the late first round / second round at best, yet BB still managed to consistently find the diamonds in the rough.

I'm just of the school of thought that BB was more important to the Patriots success than Brady.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

He did. And he had Randy Moss at one stage too.

But roughly after 2010, he had Tom Brady and not a much else ie. a lot of average talent. And yet he managed to take those teams to the SB, and in some cases, win it.

He also drafted like a m*ther. Because of their success, the Patriots were always drafting in the late first round / second round at best, yet BB still managed to consistently find the diamonds in the rough.

I'm just of the school of thought that BB was more important to the Patriots success than Brady.

He had periods where he did pretty amazing things with not much high end talent, but his draft record the last 5-10 years or whatever is terrible. (Not sure of the exact period)

 

[Ajax1995]

He had periods where he did pretty amazing things with not much high end talent, but his draft record the last 5-10 years or whatever is terrible. (Not sure of the exact period)

Yeah I think the consensus is that GM Belichick hasn’t been doing coach Belichick any favors for a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Didn’t he just sign an extension with the patriots last week? Why is this even a story?

 

[Midnight Judges]

He did. And he had Randy Moss at one stage too.

But roughly after 2010, he had Tom Brady and not a much else ie. a lot of average talent. And yet he managed to take those teams to the SB, and in some cases, win it.

He also drafted like a m*ther. Because of their success, the Patriots were always drafting in the late first round / second round at best, yet BB still managed to consistently find the diamonds in the rough.

I'm just of the school of thought that BB was more important to the Patriots success than Brady.

Yeah I think it's been a very interesting question about who was more influential in Patriots football. I was curious about that for years.

Then Tom Brady left and won a championship while BB has been a fairly average coach since then.

Not saying you're wrong, but these past 5 seasons have certainly not helped the BB side of the equation.

Didn’t he just sign an extension with the patriots last week? Why is this even a story?

Apparently he's going to trade himself? lol.

I dunno.

 

[bacchist]

He did. And he had Randy Moss at one stage too.

But roughly after 2010, he had Tom Brady and not a much else ie. a lot of average talent. And yet he managed to take those teams to the SB, and in some cases, win it.

He also drafted like a m*ther. Because of their success, the Patriots were always drafting in the late first round / second round at best, yet BB still managed to consistently find the diamonds in the rough.

I'm just of the school of thought that BB was more important to the Patriots success than Brady.

It's impossible to say who was more important, but just to play devil's advocate...

The year after Brady left the Patriots, the Patriots missed the playoffs for the first time since 2008, when Brady was injured in game 1 and missed the rest of the season. That year, Brady won the Super Bowl with a team that had missed the playoffs the prior year.

Belichick's track record without Brady has been unremarkable. Both before and after Brady. On one hand you have the best quarterback to ever play the game, and on the other hand you have a coach whose only real accomplishments were when he had the best quarterback to ever play the game...

 

[Neil Racki]

Im relieved we arent going to have to pay Sweat or Chase 25M plus.

They are good players but not top 5 at their position. They are in the 10-20 ranking imo, not top 10.

Perhaps 25M is what tier 2 DE will be getting in the near future (Bosa is 35M plus), but Im glad we arent overpaying.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

BB went to my high school, a fellow Fighting Panther, I am the biggest BB fan there is but I don’t want him in DC. He’s in his 70s. Time for him to retire to Martha’s Vineyard or wherever he has a house on the beach.

Harris needs to hire a young up and coming GM (get Kyle Smith back) and let that person build a front office and hire a coach. Be like Bisciotti in Baltimore. Hire hood people and let them do their job.

 

[bacchist]

Im relieved we arent going to have to pay Sweat or Chase 25M plus.

They are good players but not top 5 at their position. They are in the 10-20 ranking imo, not top 10.

Perhaps 25M is what tier 2 DE will be getting in the near future (Bosa is 35M plus), but Im glad we arent overpaying.

By the time this team is able to become a legit contender, Sweat will be past his prime. He's likely peaking now. I think we did pretty good there.

Chase Young, though... I understand why they didn't want to make the investment there, but I'm disappointed in the return.