New Line combos and roster thread

[Oscar Peterson]

The focus on improving seems to have paid off... no?

As for trading Matthews, you missed the point entirely.

You don't really have a point.
"Trade him because he's American and therefore will walk to a big American market when his contract expires" is clearly a way for you to not sound petty about your dislike of our best player because of a drunk mistake he made once, given the fact that you are the only one to still bring this up while still exaggerating the details (such as referring to the security guard as a "screaming woman" to make the event sound more sinister).

If your so called "real point" was a legitimate concern, surely you'd have similar worries for every single player playing on a team that's not their hometown team who is no longer RFA at the end of their deal.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Does Edmonton have a John Tavares option playing in behind McDavid?

You could move Matthews off the #1PP... give him different line mates.

If JT is playing hotter, do you think Matthews’ ice time gets eaten?

It's certainly possible, we have no evidence for or against such a thing considering Matthews has been the best and most consistent goal scorer in the league since entering it.

Weird I don't see you making posts about Tavares' ice time not going down despite huge slumps in the last two seasons.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you unwilling to acknowledge or apologize for a mistake you have made, then so be it.

No mistakes. Everything I said was true.

 

[Pookie]

You don't really have a point.
"Trade him because he's American and therefore will walk to a big American market when his contract expires" is clearly a way for you to not sound petty about your dislike of our best player because of a drunk mistake he made once, given the fact that you are the only one to still bring this up while still exaggerating the details (such as referring to the security guard as a "screaming woman" to make the event sound more sinister).

If your so called "real point" was a legitimate concern, surely you'd have similar worries for every single player playing on a team that's not their hometown team who is no longer RFA at the end of their deal.

I said that you have 3 years to sign him. And it’s actually less because in year 3 he gets a full NMC.

Which eliminates ANY leverage you have.

So you have to make a decision within 2 years as to whether you can and actually do resign him or trade him for value.

A pragmatic approach requires you to remove emotion from this and act with logic. You cannot enter that 3 year with handcuffs on and a chance he could walk for nothing.

As for his off ice crap, yeah. Not a fan. I’m not going to lose sleep if he is moved as the asset package coming back would be very, very significant.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Does Edmonton have a John Tavares option playing in behind McDavid?

You could move Matthews off the #1PP... give him different line mates.

If JT is playing hotter, do you think Matthews’ ice time gets eaten?

No they just have a 50 goal 110 point center instead of Tavares unfortunately. I guess McDavid must have complained to his coach until he relented and put Draisaitl on his wing, completely decimating Edmonton's offensive depth.

 

[Pookie]

No they just have a 50 goal 110 point center instead of Tavares unfortunately. I guess McDavid must have complained to his coach until he relented and put Draisaitl on his wing, completely decimating Edmonton's offensive depth.

There’s no record of McDavid ever complaining as far as I am aware of.

That’s the difference.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

As for his off ice crap, yeah. Not a fan. I’m not going to lose sleep if he is moved as the asset package coming back would be very, very significant.

As I have already stated, all that contract stuff applies to every single player with a UFA contract expiration.

Glad you have finally admitted that your irrational takes on Matthews are driven by emotion ("not a fan") rather than logic. It's much nicer to disagree with someone standing behind their opinion than to go back and forth with a bunch of superfluous drivel meant to demonstrate how logical and rational you are.

 

[stickty111]

You don't really have a point.
"Trade him because he's American and therefore will walk to a big American market when his contract expires" is clearly a way for you to not sound petty about your dislike of our best player because of a drunk mistake he made once, given the fact that you are the only one to still bring this up while still exaggerating the details (such as referring to the security guard as a "screaming woman" to make the event sound more sinister).

If your so called "real point" was a legitimate concern, surely you'd have similar worries for every single player playing on a team that's not their hometown team who is no longer RFA at the end of their deal.

Just like before, it's the same user derailing threads. I put the user on ignore a long time ago. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Pookie]

As I have already stated, all that contract stuff applies to every single player with a UFA contract expiration.

Of course it applies to every single player with a UFA contract expiration.

I find the difference is that if you mention it about Matthews, you get shut down as a blasphemer. Same with Kadri.

Oh well. Same people. Lots of crow.

As for signing or trading Matthews, I’m sure you’ll see that I said either or is fine with me.

The only inexcusable outcome is him walking at the end of his contract and having nothing to show for it. Like the Islanders with Tavares.

Glad you have finally admitted that your irrational takes on Matthews are driven by emotion ("not a fan") rather than logic. It's much nicer to disagree with someone standing behind their opinion than to go back and forth with a bunch of superfluous drivel meant to demonstrate how logical and rational you are.

Weird you’d think that trying to break into a screaming woman’s car is ok. And I’m “irrational” for being bothered by it

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Of course it applies to every single player with a UFA contract expiration.

I find the difference is that if you mention it about Matthews, you get shut down as a blasphemer. Same with Kadri.

Oh well. Same people. Lots of crow.

As for signing or trading Matthews, I’m sure you’ll see that I said either or is fine with me.

The only inexcusable outcome is him walking at the end of his contract and having nothing to show for it. Like the Islanders with Tavares.



Weird you’d think that trying to break into a screaming woman’s car is ok. And I’m “irrational” for being bothered by it

Don't remember ever saying it was okay? But it's also not as sinister as you constantly try to make it out to be, again the "screaming female" was literally a security guard who willingly signed up for a job that entails dealing with such miscreants?
It was a bad look for him, but it's not like he murdered or sexually assaulted someone. Rather I hope it's a mistake he learned and matured from. Most people are probably not as perfect and holy as you seem to be, many of us have made stupid decisions in the past that we regret and grow from.

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, what's irrational is as a so called Leafs fan taking every opportunity to degrade or at least provoke negative discourse about probably the best player our franchise has ever had. I mean, most of us are hoping that he'll score a goal in every game he plays. Most of us are hoping he'll continue to be a two way force on the ice. Most of us are hoping he will finally carry us to some playoff success. You on the other hand are hoping he gets his ice time demoted for John Tavares if he slumps and hoping he gets traded before his NMC kicks in. If you can't see why that's irrational, then not sure what else to say

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Don't remember ever saying it was okay? But it's also not as sinister as you constantly try to make it out to be, again the "screaming female" was literally a security guard who willingly signed up for a job that entails dealing with such miscreants?
It was a bad look for him, but it's not like he murdered or sexually assaulted someone. Rather I hope it's a mistake he learned and matured from. Most people are probably not as perfect and holy as you seem to be, many of us have made stupid decisions in the past that we regret and grow from.

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, what's irrational is as a so called Leafs fan taking every opportunity to degrade or at least provoke negative discourse about probably the best player our franchise has ever had. I mean, most of us are hoping that he'll score a goal in every game he plays. Most of us are hoping he'll continue to be a two way force on the ice. Most of us are hoping he will finally carry us to some playoff success. You on the other hand are hoping he gets his ice time demoted for John Tavares if he slumps and hoping he gets traded before his NMC kicks in. If you can't see why that's irrational, then not sure what else to say

Kids today have to grow up way too fast .. everything is on video .. social media cameras are everywhere .. gone are days when you could get wasted at da hotel, piss in da corner, grab some fries at McD, smoke a cigar, drink some more, get your d*ck sucked by a puck bunny, grab some *ss in da corridor, shoot da sh*t with your budds about who has biggest d*ck, then crash at 3 am and get on bus at 9 am and drive to next town and do it again next night .. those were fun team building days which boys today can't experience .. OMG thank god they don't have some new tech to expose hockey life from 20+ years ago .. what I saw my kids go threw was so so much different .. everything is politically correct nowadays .. and 19 year olds can never be 19 year olds just goofing off

 

[Pookie]

Don't remember ever saying it was okay? But it's also not as sinister as you constantly try to make it out to be, again the "screaming female" was literally a security guard who willingly signed up for a job that entails dealing with such miscreants?
It was a bad look for him, but it's not like he murdered or sexually assaulted someone. Rather I hope it's a mistake he learned and matured from. Most people are probably not as perfect and holy as you seem to be, many of us have made stupid decisions in the past that we regret and grow from.

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, what's irrational is as a so called Leafs fan taking every opportunity to degrade or at least provoke negative discourse about probably the best player our franchise has ever had. I mean, most of us are hoping that he'll score a goal in every game he plays. Most of us are hoping he'll continue to be a two way force on the ice. Most of us are hoping he will finally carry us to some playoff success. You on the other hand are hoping he gets his ice time demoted for John Tavares if he slumps and hoping he gets traded before his NMC kicks in. If you can't see why that's irrational, then not sure what else to say

He tried to break into her car with her in it. The woman did not sign up for that. Seriously? You think she signed up for that?

From a team perspective, it also shows his priorities that he left Dubas in the dark about it. Thinking he was above the story (or at least his camp and advisors did). Moronic.

As for Matthews and trading him, yep. I’m fine with it. Fine if he stays too.

You seem to think this doesn’t make me a Leaf fan. Which is weird as I wonder if you say the same thing to someone who wants to trade Marner? (I’d actually prefer we keep him as his is the longer contract).

I don’t hope he gets his ice time reduced, I’m asking if anyone thinks that Keefe would actually be able to do it and escape being fired.

You are arguing with ghosts... and aren’t very good at it.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I’d literally pay Matthews league max to stay on this team. Without him we have no chance it feels like

 

[egd27]

No mistakes. Everything I said was true.

You were perpetuating the false claim about Matthews controlling lineup decisions.

The bolded post was untrue.

I have asked you a couple of times to show where I did this, and you have failed to do so, and used the BS excuse....

Just not interested in getting into this squabble with you.

when it seems the bulk of posts that you make are little more than attempts to "squabble" with others.

Much like when things get tough in the playoffs, character always shows itself.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The bolded post was untrue.

No, the bolded post was true. You made leading comments encouraging that claim in response to somebody who was disputing that claim:

At least he acknowledged he didn't make lineup decisions under the previous coach.
Now? Well all we know for certain is that they both got what they said they'd like.

 

[egd27]

No, the bolded post was true. You made leading comments encouraging that claim in response to somebody who was disputing that claim:

Well if that's where you were led, that's on you. Nothing I said was untrue.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Matthews is a very special talent and in my opinion will be the second best player league wide after this season. He absolutely has to be resigned and if he isn't and is traded the leafs will need to rebuild again. I'm guessing he resigns at 13 x 8.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well if that's where you were led, that's on you.

The only reason to make such statements, especially in the context of the discussion you entered, would be to encourage that claim. Which is why the guy making the claim applauded your efforts. Now, if you're done with the insults and gaslighting, let's get back to the line combo/roster discussion.

 

[LegChairGM]

A thought occurred to me after the game tonight - since Ritchie and Tavares play the game at the same speed why not pair them up? Also really liked the look of the Nylander - Matthews - Marner line.

For now:

Nylander - Matthews - Nylander
Ritchie - Tavares - Bunting
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Engval - Spezza - Simmonds

When healthy:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Ritchie - Tavares - Micheyev
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Roll the 3rd/4th line equal minutes

 

[Havoc]

A thought occurred to me after the game tonight - since Ritchie and Tavares play the game at the same speed why not pair them up? Also really liked the look of the Nylander - Matthews - Marner line.

For now:

Nylander - Matthews - Nylander
Ritchie - Tavares - Bunting
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Engval - Spezza - Simmonds

When healthy:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Ritchie - Tavares - Micheyev
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Roll the 3rd/4th line equal minutes

Oh man if we could clone Nylander this team is set for a decade

 

[ottomaddox]

A thought occurred to me after the game tonight - since Ritchie and Tavares play the game at the same speed why not pair them up? Also really liked the look of the Nylander - Matthews - Marner line.

For now:

Nylander - Matthews - Nylander
Ritchie - Tavares - Bunting
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Engval - Spezza - Simmonds

When healthy:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Ritchie - Tavares - Micheyev
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Roll the 3rd/4th line equal minutes

I think your When Healthy roster is easy for opposing coaches to match-up.

Hard to believe that we are already questioning the roster.

Hyman is gone, Mikheyev injured, Marner struggling, Tavares struggling, Matthews trying to find his groove, etc. Bunting has been a surprise, but he can't cover for Mik (who's injured)/Ritchie (who's struggling).

I had to laugh at Keefe last night when he put out Engvall to support M & M. That's his solution for energizing that line?

Maybe Keefe will do the blender thing like he did in the past.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Stick Gabriel in the lineup, mix things up and raise the energy

 

[hockeynorth]

Dermott should move up

when Mikheyev is back he should be in Kerfoots spot

 

[hamzarocks]

I'd move kerfoot down to line 3 if he doesn't produce in the next game or two.

Move up kase to play with JT and Marner

 

[hockeynorth]

My healthy lines would be:

Nylander-Matthews-Kase --> Gives Matthews 2 guys with great IQ, who can get passes to him, shoot it, and gain the zone. Also Kase would be good in a more offence oriented role and can still act as a digger.
Bunting-Tavares-Marner --> Bunting works well with Tavares and gives Marner a second net front option
Kerfoot-Kampf-Mikheyev --> this should be a really good two way line, and you also have Engvall who can tag in. The goal here is Tampa L3 style, and these guys should be competent, and if it fails you can always drop Kase down and move someone up.
Ritchie-Spezza-Simmonds --> Ritchie is way more suited for this line, and Simmonds/Spezza have both been great so far.
Engvall --> good ace to have

Rielly-Dermott --> arguably our 2 best defenders so far this year, this also gives us time to see what we have in each of our young dmen. This pair would be really effective in my opinion, and Dermott is more physical than Brodie, which we could use.
Sandin-Brodie --> We test run this completely to see if it could be our top pair next year, simple as that. Get Brodie to cover Sandins defensive deficiencies and we're in great shape here.
Muzzin-Liljegren --> Muzzin can mentor Liljegren, and this would be a nice heavy pair, would look great out their with our L3. I would also run all the pairs 16-18 minutes a night before special teams.
Holl --> he's sucked, and his only place is with Muzzin or D3, and frankly Lilly needs game time. Holl can rotate in

Campbell --> straightforward
Mrazek --> see above