New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XIIX

[CerebralGenesis]

just his opinion man

his defense for loktionov is colin wilson. Should say enough for me.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

Was looking last night at Adam Larsson's profile on hockeyfuture, and they have him as a 9.0 and a success chance of B??

Isn't that insanely good? Because guys like Tarasenko and Galchenyuk only have 8.5 and Cs or Bs.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I mean, he was the 4th overall pick for a reason.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

The Oilers and their fans piss me off.

 

[Basement Cat]

Was looking last night at Adam Larsson's profile on hockeyfuture, and they have him as a 9.0 and a success chance of B??

Isn't that insanely good? Because guys like Tarasenko and Galchenyuk only have 8.5 and Cs or Bs.

9-B means he has a good shot of become a top 5 dman in the league but could "fall" to top 15ish. Its as good a rating as you can get without saying hes going to become the next Lidstrom.

 

[Bleedred]

Was just looking at the schedule again man October is brutal.

If we come out of October with a .500 record I'll be extremely happy.

Ugh road trip up to Western Canada. We always seem to have problems with those, but we should be able to beat Calgary and Edmonton. Winnipeg should be beatable too, but 2 out of 3 times we've played there have been very uninspiring efforts to say the least.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

9-B means he has a good shot of become a top 5 dman in the league but could "fall" to top 15ish. Its as good a rating as you can get without saying hes going to become the next Lidstrom.

But they did say he is going to become the next Lidstrom...

Or did I miss the sarcasm there? Haha. Either way, I never realized that (if in fact what you say about the top 5-15 is true) and I just became even more of a fan of Larsson than before.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

the players that play the most minutes are your "first line" players

Zajac will play the most minutes of any center (or probably any forward)

therefore, he is our #1 center.

not sure how that is debatable, really, but you seem to love arguing semantics.

I think you're the one arguing semantics here. My argument is that we shouldn't be fixated on who the "number 1 center" is. Who cares? For the sake of arguing with idiots on the main board who have no idea how good Zajac is?

The fixation over "first line center" is silly. Anytime a roster is posted YOU argue semantics. If Lokti is listed up top it's always "he's not a first line center" - no one saying he is. Just because you list a Devils first doesn't mean he's a top line center.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

just his opinion man

his defense for loktionov is colin wilson. Should say enough for me.

Interesting straw-man. Your inability to accept other people's opinions, and discuss those opinions respectfully, says a lot. If you think I'm insignificant to the point where I warrant petty responses render me insignificant to the point where I shouldn't warrant a response. It would save this place bandwidth and save us from ridiculous digressions - like this one.

Nowhere did I say Colin Wilson was some brilliant player. But plenty of guys who play center and struggle in the circle have played on their team's "top line." My point was rather simple. Literally can write it down on an elementary school chalk board and the kids would all know what the heck I'm trying to say.

Just because X does not mean Y. Here are examples of teams who have tried to make it work.

Those teams have made it work, for example, by keeping those players out of the circle.

Just because Loktionov is bad at faceoffs (X - your point that no guy who gives up 60% faceoffs should be a first line center) doesn't mean he can't be a top line center in this league (Y - my point that various other teams have managed to get around that, though you strawman Colin Wilson I've noted RNH as another guy who has struggled in the circle).

Jesus Christ.

 

[Basement Cat]

But they did say he is going to become the next Lidstrom...

Or did I miss the sarcasm there? Haha. Either way, I never realized that (if in fact what you say about the top 5-15 is true) and I just became even more of a fan of Larsson than before.

I know they did but that's more because of he Swedish connection than his actual potential IMO.

Take a look at the rating system and check out the comparison for each scale...

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

 

[Ripshot 43]

What I've learned the last few pages....

Line chemistry < Faceoff percentage

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

What I've learned the last few pages....

Line chemistry < Faceoff percentage

Yup. Pretty much. Granted Faceoffs are important but to automatically disqualify any player from being on line X because of faceoffs is just a very lazy way of looking at a hockey player.

Not even specifically focusing on Lokti here. The guy said anyone who had those rates should automatically be disqualified. Bold to say the least.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

I know they did but that's more because of he Swedish connection than his actual potential IMO.

Take a look at the rating system and check out the comparison for each scale...

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

Thanks a ton for that, didn't see that before. Which leads me to ask how Larsson made it to fourth pick lol (excluding Yakupov). But hey, Im not complaining.

Now we just need him to reach at 9.0 potential. Around what age should he be close, 24-25? 27-28?

 

[SeidoN]

What I've learned the last few pages....

Line chemistry < Faceoff percentage

NHL 14 brah

 

[B A T M A N]

10. Generational Talent

Goaltender: Patrick Roy

9. Elite Talent

Defense: Nicklas Lidstrom
Goaltender: Martin Brodeur

Lol, uh huh. Not exactly well thought out rankings.

 

[B A T M A N]

Thanks a ton for that, didn't see that before. Which leads me to ask how Larsson made it to fourth pick lol (excluding Yakupov). But hey, Im not complaining.

Now we just need him to reach at 9.0 potential. Around what age should he be close, 24-25? 27-28?

If you had been following hockey for years, you'd know that he was extremely highly touted. He didn't "just make" the fourth pick by sheer dumb luck. Some analysts had him going 1st overall...

And defensemen historically take longer to mature than forwards. So a few more years is not unreasonable.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

10. Generational Talent

Goaltender: Patrick Roy

9. Elite Talent

Defense: Nicklas Lidstrom
Goaltender: Martin Brodeur

Lol, uh huh. Not exactly well thought out rankings.

I don't get it...? As much as we all love Marty, Roy > Brodeur

Unless that isn't what you were referring to. Then I'm just confused.

 

[glenwo2]

The Oilers and their fans piss me off.

What did they say?

That they'll make the playoffs while we miss them?

 

[Ripshot 43]

Yup. Pretty much. Granted Faceoffs are important but to automatically disqualify any player from being on line X because of faceoffs is just a very lazy way of looking at a hockey player.

Not even specifically focusing on Lokti here. The guy said anyone who had those rates should automatically be disqualified. Bold to say the least.

If Lokti finds good chemistry with wingers who end up being our "first line" wingers then I'd be more than willing to put him out there to put up goals and then just minimize the amount of defensive faceoffs he's taking. All the while, he can be working on his technique. In a perfect world we'd have that big prototypical #1 center but we don't right now.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

10. Generational Talent

Goaltender: Patrick Roy

9. Elite Talent

Defense: Nicklas Lidstrom
Goaltender: Martin Brodeur

Lol, uh huh. Not exactly well thought out rankings.

Fine, I'm biased, but I lost a lot of respect for the rankings just based on that alone. You don't call Martin Brodeur a generational talent?

 

[B A T M A N]

I don't get it...? As much as we all love Marty, Roy > Brodeur

Unless that isn't what you were referring to. Then I'm just confused.

Roy is not better than Brodeur. And Lidstrom had a better career than Orr. Though I'm somewhat fine with Orr being a "generational" talent.

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

If you had been following hockey for years, you'd know that he was extremely highly touted. He didn't "just make" the fourth pick by sheer dumb luck. Some analysts had him going 1st overall...

And defensemen historically take longer to mature than forwards. So a few more years is not unreasonable.

Nooo I meant how did he make it down to the fourth pick, not up. So, how he made it past picks two and three, could wind up being one of the best things to happen to this team in a while, if he pans out. Excluding Yakupov going first, it is quite interesting he made it to us. But then again I don't remember the draft class either.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

for crying out loud, not the Roy vs. Marty debate again.

Mainboard that stuff and let all the zombies in.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

I don't get it...? As much as we all love Marty, Roy > Brodeur

Unless that isn't what you were referring to. Then I'm just confused.

For me it's the subjective tier breakdown. Even if you believe Roy > Brodeur, can't they both be generational talents?

Being a little picky here but Marty isn't just an "elite talent" to me.

 

[B A T M A N]

Nooo I meant how did he make it down to the fourth pick, not up. So, how he made it past picks two and three, could wind up being one of the best things to happen to this team in a while, if he pans out. Excluding Yakupov going first, it is quite interesting he made it to us. But then again I don't remember the draft class either.

Because Edmonton, Colorado and Florida wanted their respective forwards over a defenseman?